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Quercetin for prostatitis

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Roy Fleischer - 04 Feb 2004 07:45 GMT
I have been reading a lot about quercetin being effective but some books
recommend 400mg 3 times a day while others   advise 500mg 3 times a day.
Also is it necessary to have
eye examinations and if so - how often?  Seems to me that if the FDA
approved quercetin
for over the counter use and there is no warning about retina damage on the
bottle that the
recommended amounts should be taken more or less like tylenol which doesn't
require
liver exams but just advises no more than 8 500mg tablets in 24 hours.  I
would like to try
quercetin but am concerned about this mentioned side effect.  I am not
taking any of
the other medications that might interact with quercetin so the only concern
I have
is the possible retina damage.

Thanks in advance for any information as I would really like to start ASAP
if the risk is very small.
Mr. Pubmed - 04 Feb 2004 12:00 GMT
> I have been reading a lot about quercetin being effective but some books
> recommend 400mg 3 times a day while others   advise 500mg 3 times a day.
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> require
> liver exams but just advises no more than 8 500mg tablets in 24 hours.  

I don't know where you found information about high dose quercetin and
retinal damage, but there is nothing about it in the published medical
literature. I only see articles showing it is PROTECTIVE against
retinal damage. It is true that any antioxidant taken at huge doses
can start to behave as a Pro-oxidant. It seems as though the
recommended total daily dose of quercetin in CPPS is between 1 to 1.5
g.

Areias FM, Rego AC, Oliveira CR, Seabra RM.

Antioxidant effect of flavonoids after ascorbate/Fe(2+)-induced
oxidative stress in cultured retinal cells.
Biochem Pharmacol. 2001 Jul 1;62(1):111-8.

Ueda T, Ueda T, Armstrong D.

Preventive effect of natural and synthetic antioxidants on lipid
peroxidation in the mammalian eye.
Ophthalmic Res. 1996;28(3):184-92.
niceshyguymiami - 05 Feb 2004 01:42 GMT
>Antioxidant effect of flavonoids after ascorbate/Fe(2+)-induced
>oxidative stress in cultured retinal cells.
>Biochem Pharmacol. 2001 Jul 1;62(1):111-8.

"flavonoids" are food colorants, water-soluble plant pigments.
Only thing Quercentin will do is make your hair fall out. Just ask the bald
headed little maggot out in Weston
Larry - 04 Feb 2004 13:20 GMT
Why not try much lower dosages and see if that helps first?

Larry E.

> I have been reading a lot about quercetin being effective but some books
> recommend 400mg 3 times a day while others   advise 500mg 3 times a day.
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> Thanks in advance for any information as I would really like to start ASAP
> if the risk is very small.
niceshyguymiami - 05 Feb 2004 01:38 GMT
Quercentin is food colorant - it is snake oil dont waste your money on this
unproven crap.

>I have been reading a lot about quercetin being effective but some books
>recommend 400mg 3 times a day while others   advise 500mg 3 times a day.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>Thanks in advance for any information as I would really like to start ASAP
>if the risk is very small.
Larry - 05 Feb 2004 01:44 GMT
Not true. Check Shokes' study on Medline.

Larry

> Quercentin is food colorant - it is snake oil dont waste your money on this
> unproven crap.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>>Thanks in advance for any information as I would really like to start ASAP
>>if the risk is very small.
Mr. Pubmed - 05 Feb 2004 11:54 GMT
> Not true. Check Shokes' study on Medline.
>
> Larry

His usual nonsense> >

Trying to reason with NSGM using facts is like trying to housebreak a
pet by arguing with it using differential calculus.

Newbies: ignore NSGM's posts or at least search his posting history
(he used to post as niceshymiamiguy until aol probably closed his
account) and figure out for yourself his agenda and the uselessness of
his advice.
Cameron - 05 Feb 2004 14:58 GMT
> > Not true. Check Shokes' study on Medline.
> >
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> account) and figure out for yourself his agenda and the uselessness of
> his advice.

I actually tried Q early on.  Took it for three months and it had no
effect. However, I'm sure it may help some.  For the price I believe
it is worth a try.
niceshyguymiami - 06 Feb 2004 04:09 GMT
>I actually tried Q early on.  Took it for three months and it had no
>effect. However, I'm sure it may help some.  For the price I believe
>it is worth a try.

THIS IS WHAT THE ONLINE QUACKS ARE BANKING ON. GETTING THE UNINFORMED TO SPEND
$$$ ON SNAKE OIL.
D F Bonnett - 07 Feb 2004 12:53 GMT
>> > Not true. Check Shokes' study on Medline.
>> >
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>effect. However, I'm sure it may help some.  For the price I believe
>it is worth a try.

My experience mirrors Cameron's.
niceshyguymiami - 06 Feb 2004 04:05 GMT
THIS SO CALLED STUDY IS A SELF SERVING FARCE.  DOES SHOSKES DISCLOSE  ANY
POSSIBLE EQUITY INTEREST HE HAS IN THE SALE OF "Q"???

FOR A STUDY TO BE VALID IT HAS TO BE REPLICATED. NO ONE ELSE IS INTERESTED IN
"Q". AGAIN IT IS FOOD COLORANT.

>Not true. Check Shokes' study on Medline.
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>>>Thanks in advance for any information as I would really like to start ASAP
>>>if the risk is very small.
James - 06 Feb 2004 20:04 GMT
Then why not try a cheap generic version for 1 - 3 months and see if that helps?

It helps me - and I do not but the brand name - just a simple generic.

> THIS SO CALLED STUDY IS A SELF SERVING FARCE.  DOES SHOSKES DISCLOSE  ANY
> POSSIBLE EQUITY INTEREST HE HAS IN THE SALE OF "Q"???
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> >>>Thanks in advance for any information as I would really like to start ASAP
> >>>if the risk is very small.
Larry - 07 Feb 2004 03:06 GMT
Actually ... I did the same Quercetin with Bromelain (for absorption ...
apparently, Quercetin doesn't absorb well by itself), and I have to
admit ...I'm not a big believer in supplements ... but it has helped me.

Larry

> Then why not try a cheap generic version for 1 - 3 months and see if that helps?
>
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>>>>>Thanks in advance for any information as I would really like to start ASAP
>>>>>if the risk is very small.
niceshyguymiami - 08 Feb 2004 04:38 GMT
These are the facts:

There are much cheaper alternatives to Prosta-Q.

Shoskes is making $$$ money off Prosta-Q.

Shoskes seems to be the only "doctor" that thinks that  "Q" will do anything
for prostatitis.

>Actually ... I did the same Quercetin with Bromelain (for absorption ...
>apparently, Quercetin doesn't absorb well by itself), and I have to
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>ASAP
>>>>>>if the risk is very small.
Mr. Pubmed - 08 Feb 2004 13:11 GMT
> These are the facts:

> Shoskes seems to be the only "doctor" that thinks that  "Q" will do anything
> for prostatitis.

Of course nice obsessive idiot guy is wrong again (and again and again
and again).

Nickel recommends it in his book. Hirsch recommended it in his review
article. Dr. Theorides must have thought something of the data when he
made Algonot and ProstaPak.

Yet again, data wins, NSGM loses, patients win.
Cameron - 09 Feb 2004 14:58 GMT
> > These are the facts:
> >
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>
> Yet again, data wins, NSGM loses, patients win.

Good morning.  Have to play antagonizer just a bit.  I'm sure Prosta Q
is effective for some sufferers.  However, this whole "data wins"
thing is a bit over played.  "Data" supporting one thing today, can
have "data" not supporting it tomorrow.  The FDA had "data" supporting
the safety of an obiesty drug several years ago, that was until people
started dropping dead all over the place.  "Data" can also be made to
say what the researcher wants it to prove, given the right spin.
Again, does Ayurvedic and Holistic medicine have "data" supporting it?
How about Prayer (which I believe works)? I believe some therapies
work due to faith and belief alone.
IDEA MAN - 09 Feb 2004 23:25 GMT
"Cameron" wrote..

> "Data" can also be made to
> say what the researcher wants it to prove, given the right spin.

If I were asked, I would say quercetin is completely harmless and
potentially helpful taken at an appropriate dose. Regarding this statement
above and not relating to quercetin, I couldn't agree more. It's nothing
less than criminal to skew studies in an attempt to influence future
research and opinion and it hurts us sufferers as a result. Why does it hurt
us sufferers? Well, because the research conducted today is the treatment we
receive tomorrow and if your taking medicine for your condition based on a
bogus study your not helping yourself and quite possible making your
condition worse. You should all know that this is not a myth and actively
happening now. I was recently informed a prominent urologist in North
America who did just that, ( no....it's nobody that posts here ), but to a
lesser degree and to the demise of one of his patients. A sufferer with a
long history of CPPS which included hundreds of pages of overwhelming,
factual evidence of a diseased prostate, went to a new urologist for help
and assistance. I am told this patient went to this urologist because he was
curious to know whether or not his bladder was causing problems along with
his prostate? Well, as it turned out, this new urologist had no intentions
of helping his trusting patient at all. Getting back to skewing the medical
facts, that particular physician had his own agenda unbenounced to the
hurting sufferer who humbly went to him seeking help. He ignored the
patients past medical history, lab results, ultrasound images, and numerous
other specialists opinions that clearly pointed to a diseased prostate just
so he could prove a point that "ALL" patients with prostatitis were
misdiagnosed and were actually suffering from interstitial cystitis instead.
Now we all know that at times interstitial cystitis can actually masquerade
as chronic prostatitis, but considering this man's medical history there was
no way that all his symptoms were exclusively attributed to his bladder
alone. This was a case of a doctor who lent a blind eye to the medical facts
just so the diagnosis would benefit him rather than his patient. A clear act
of data being made to say what the doctor wanted it to prove. To put it as
simplistic as I possibly can, it was like someone trying to convince a
person with a broken arm that it was really his leg that had the fracture.
So, let me ask you? How comfortable would you feel if that physician
participated in studies that dictated what medicine you should to take
tomorrow? In the end, that sufferer, ( my friend ), didn't walk, but he
.....::::::BOLTED!! to another specialist who kindly put things back into
perspective acknowledging what he had suspected all along, and that was that
both his prostate and bladder were part of the same disease process. As it
stands now, he is currently receiving the proper medical treatment that
honestly reflects the medical facts of his case, thus increasing his chances
for some desperately needed improvement. Yep, data can be made to say what
the researcher wants it to prove, given the right spin he put's on it.
niceshyguymiami - 10 Feb 2004 09:14 GMT
If your Uro has

Heard of Q?

Says Q is good?

Let us know.

I am sure there will be few replies --  You say why?

Because NO ONE out there recommends Q !!! Thats why!!!

> I couldn't agree more. It's nothing
>less than criminal to skew studies in an attempt to influence future
>research and opinion and it hurts us sufferers as a result
James - 10 Feb 2004 17:44 GMT
not true actually - several urologists recomend Quercitan now as part of
"mulit-modal" therapy for CP.

Do they recomend a brand name? no.....just Quercitan

> If your Uro has
>
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> >less than criminal to skew studies in an attempt to influence future
> >research and opinion and it hurts us sufferers as a result
niceshyguymiami - 11 Feb 2004 21:06 GMT
WHO ARE THESE UROS?? NAME SOME NAMES??

>not true actually - several urologists recomend Quercitan now as part of
>"mulit-modal" therapy for CP.
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>> >less than criminal to skew studies in an attempt to influence future
>> >research and opinion and it hurts us sufferers as a result
º-- Idea Man --º - 21 Feb 2004 23:05 GMT
"niceshyguymiami" wrote..

> WHO ARE THESE UROS?? NAME SOME NAMES??

Sorry Miamiguy, but I'm *NOT* a rat.

I'll voice an opinion whenever a topic peaks my interest, but I WON'T ever
post personal details about another.

I still suffer and do need help. I too can provide help. It is in my very
best interest to *respect* the privacy of other's and keep private
information just that, private. Make no mistake about that.

God bless you all.
Derek
niceshyguymiami - 22 Feb 2004 10:04 GMT
Gee Derek,

Guess Q is sooooooooo good all the Uros are keeping it a secret???

>"niceshyguymiami" wrote..
>
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>God bless you all.
>Derek
 
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