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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / September 2007Dr Polacheck
Guys, looking at going to see Dr. Polacheck in Tucson to have what I think is Prostatitis. Have had for about 5 years and have done and been through about everything that has been posted. Have never though had a culture of a EPS and have been relatively unimpressed with the urology profession. I live in South Cal and wanted to get anyones advice about what they think about this. At least it looks like he does everything that they recomend to be done (culture of eps, massage, etc). He charges 3 grand for the whole thing and my insurance will cover 80% of it. Any info would be great. Take care. The Pig I am a patient of Dr. P and he has worked wonders. I did the usual 5 urologist thing and Mayo Clinic circuit. Basically told by them to get used to the pain and pull disability paperwork. Out of desparation I went to Tucson. Dr. P. peformed detailed and complex lab work on my prostatic secretions. Keep in mind the other Uro's just conducted a DRE, the worthless 3 jar test and said there is nothing wrong with you. Did I mention that I was in so much pain, I couldnt walk? And why if the Uro's didnt find anything wrong, they all prescribed Cipro? I'm digressing. If you want to discuss Dr. P in more detail. Please feel free to e-mail me at pkrause@glendaleaz.com. Unlike others on this board. I have nothing to hide, no reason to stay anonymous. I believe the treatment I received in Tucson gave me my life back. Does it work for everyone? No. >If you want to discuss Dr. P in more detail. Please feel free to >e-mail me at >pkrause@glendaleaz.com. > >Unlike others on this board. I have nothing to hide, no reason to >stay anonymous. How the hell do we know that your real name is Patrick Krause? And couldn't you have saved money by simply having your boyfriend use a vibrator on you, instead of having Polacheck do it. >Unlike others on this board. I have nothing to hide, no reason to >stay anonymous. I believe the treatment I received in Tucson gave me >my life back. Does it work for everyone? No. So what treatment did you get? "Cameron" wrote.. > Unlike others on this board. I have nothing to hide, no reason to > stay anonymous. I believe the treatment I received in Tucson gave me > my life back. Does it work for everyone? No. Glad your feeling better Cameron. This condition attempts to ruin the best of us. Can you tell us in a detailed fasion what type of treatment you underwent? Bacteria, ( if isolated? ), antibiotics, ( which one U found most effective, etc? ), drainages, ( whether they helped? ), and any other comments regarding your successful treatment? I'm sure many of the readers would appreciate the information. It's one thing to say someone person or some clinic helped, but I'd say the most important information you could provide for sufferer's is an account of what you actually did. Thanks and continued success to you. Regards. > Guys, looking at going to see Dr. Polacheck in Tucson to have what I think > is Prostatitis. Have had for about 5 years and have done and been through [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The Pig Read: http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewtopic.php?t=262 > > > Read: > http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewtopic.php?t=262 Good morning all. Yes, there does seem to be some sufferers who have not had the experience I have had in Tucson. However, a sufferer really cannot rule it out as it might assist that person. This is just one method that is being practiced by a Dr. who sincerely believes it is effective. I believe the same. It has worked for me, without a doubt. Do I think that some sufferers have CPPS? (physical therapy kind)Yes. The bottom line is, I'm not sure if anyone knows 100% what causes this, so we as sufferers must continue to move and fight on and try the different modalities that are out there, until we find one that works for us. We also have to respect the different types of treatments available, they do work for some. Prostatic massage peformed by Dr. Polacheck along with ABX has worked for me. The other option is to continue to complain, post imflamatory msg's and after all that, still be in pain. Contrary to popular belief, the Tucson Clinic is doing very well. There are hundreds of patients there from all over the world. I have spoken to many of them and the majority have been helped and feel better then they ever have. It nice to have a Dr. who spends more then 10 mins with you, listens and performs comprehensive lab work. > > > > Read: > > http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewtopic.php?t=262 > > Good morning all. Yes, there does seem to be some sufferers who have > not had the experience I have had in Tucson. Quite a few, actually: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_443366743 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_291858715 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_393412566 http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=an_291866660 > However, a sufferer > really cannot rule it out as it might assist that person. This is > just one method that is being practiced by a Dr. who sincerely > believes it is effective. I believe the same. The best recent resrearch completely invalidates bacteria as a cause of chronic pelvic pain, your hunches notwithstanding. > It has worked for me, without a doubt. And who are you? Although you keep saying how well it's worked for you, you also monitor this newsgroup faithfully, posting pro-Polacheck messages every few months. That's not the sort of thing a cured person does. > We also have to respect the different types of treatments available, > they do work for some. Prostatic massage peformed by Dr. Polacheck > along with ABX has worked for me. "Prostatic massage" also results in some deep pelvic muscles getting a little physiotherapy, or "trigger point" massage. If you've had any improvement, that's probably the reason. > The other option is to continue to complain, post imflamatory msg's > and after all that, still be in pain. No, the other option is to explore the newer ideas at: http://www.chronicprostatitis.com and http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/ > Contrary to popular belief, > the Tucson Clinic is doing very well. Why is that a concern of yours? What are your real motives for posting this sort of information here? > There are hundreds of patients > there from all over the world. How do you know? Do you travel there on an ongoing basis? If so, why? > I have spoken to many of them and the > majority have been helped and feel better then they ever have. It > nice to have a Dr. who spends more then 10 mins with you, listens and > performs comprehensive lab work. Lab work and antibiotics are of no use in the vast majortiy of cases. That's well established scientifically. I appreciate everyones input although some peoples postings seem to have some general agendas....especially webmaster. If you read the positive posts about Polacheck they don't say it's a guarantee....what it says is that at LEAST this guy does prostate massage and the correct diagnosis to see if there is a DEFINITE bacterial issue. Some people here on this board to seem to get that this in itself is A MAJOR STEP FORWARD. Try and find a uro who will even do the most basic steps and it is nearly impossible. As far as "TRY SOME OF THE NEW THINGS ON CHRONIPROSTATIS.COM"?????? I'm sorry but what the hell are you talking about. What is truly new? Broccli, Prosta-Q...what is your agenda? My original post was simply to see if anyone had used Polacheck, did he do what he said he was going to do, and were you comfortable with him. I could give a sh.t less if it WORKED for you. There is no cure people so if you want someone to tell you steps one through 5 to make it go away then no one will be happy with any doctor, any supplement, and any treatment. The Pig > > "Webmaster Chronicprostatitis.com" <webmaster@chronicprostatitis.com> wrote in message news:<f849a30a5e7ec4e9994552981b44a63e.88897@mygate.mailgate.org>... > > > > > Read: > > > http://www.chronicpelvicpain.us/viewtopic.php?t=262 [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > Lab work and antibiotics are of no use in the vast majortiy of cases. > That's well established scientifically. > I appreciate everyones input although some peoples postings seem to have > some general agendas....especially webmaster. My only agenda is to expose frauds. > If you read the positive > posts about Polacheck they don't say it's a guarantee....what it says is > that at LEAST this guy does prostate massage and the correct diagnosis to > see if there is a DEFINITE bacterial issue. Some people here on this board > to seem to get that this in itself is A MAJOR STEP FORWARD. "MAJOR STEP FORWARD"?? What nonsense! If there are *any* studies proving that this is a major step forward, I'll eat my hat. > Try and find a > uro who will even do the most basic steps and it is nearly impossible. In your uneducated view, the "basic steps" all involve microbiology. Unfortunately for you, your condition has nothing to do with microbes. > As far as "TRY SOME OF THE NEW THINGS ON CHRONICPROSTATIS.COM"?????? I'm sorry > but what the hell are you talking about. If you cannot read the content of the site, that's your problem. I suppose it's to be expected that your antiquated views of causation would go hand-in-hand with an inability to read comprehensively. > What is truly new? Broccli, > Prosta-Q...what is your agenda? Nerves and muscles, that's what new. And bugs are definitely passé. To my knowledge and I read most of the lit on this affliction, there is no definitive answer as to what causes the symptoms. If there were, you would have universal agreement from Docs. But we dont. If bacteria has been ruled out as you say by the latest and greatest study. Why are Uro's and hospitals all over the world handing out Cipro for these symptoms? Are al these docs and hospitals just behind the times? If you walk into a hospital or Uro with our symptoms tomorrow, you will get ABX. No doubt. However, I do respect the work of Dr. Nickels, Dr. D and any other doctor who is putting his heart and soul into this. There may very well be other causes. But you have to exhaust every model. To not try Tucson based on an anonymous webmaster stating that bacteria has been ruled out (based on a group of doctors), would be a mistake. Why do I still follow this newsgroup? This newsgroup helped me get through my worst days. I am hoping that by posting, I can help someone do the same. And Yes, I am pro Dr. P. He has helped me tremendously. Walked into his clinic unable to walk with pain, and within two weeks (10 treatments) had a 50 % reduction in symptoms. To this day, Prostatitis pain is just a memory. I am lifting weights again and running. This was more then any other doc had done. This is my story and mine alone, others could not be as fortunate with the treatment. Thanks for the dialogue. > If bacteria has been ruled out as you say by the latest and greatest > study. Why are Uro's and hospitals all over the world handing out > Cipro for these symptoms? Are al these docs and hospitals just behind > the times? Yes, they are. > If you walk into a hospital or Uro with our symptoms > tomorrow, you will get ABX. No doubt. Not all uros will do this anymore. And many top medical web sites no longer recommend it either. People are slowly catching on. > However, I do respect the work of Dr. Nickels, Dr. D and any other > doctor who is putting his heart and soul into this. There may very > well be other causes. But you have to exhaust every model. The infection model is the most "exhausted" model, to a huge degree. It's been beaten to death for decades. It doesn't work. Get over it. > To not try Tucson based on an anonymous webmaster stating that bacteria has > been ruled out (based on a group of doctors), would be a mistake. To avoid Tucson based on a whole lot if unsuccessful case histories is good sense. To avoid Tucson based on the advice of an expert webmaster with many years of in depth study of this topic is good sense. To avoid Tucson based on all the latest research and scientific opinion is good sense. To come here and shill for the Tucson clinic from an Arizonan Internet account, the way you are doing, "Cameron", invites us to wonder if you are 1) Dr Polacheck himself or 2) a member of his family, or team, or a biased friend. In any event, it's not "good sense". > And Yes, I am pro Dr. P. He has helped me tremendously > > Thanks for the dialogue. Hmmm. "Thanks for the dialogue" is the way Dr Polacheck ended his emails to me a few years ago. The plot thickens .... The major step forward is finding a uro that does the basiscs. If you don't understand this you never have had problems with prostatitis. Second, why the hell would I listen to a webmaster.....am I missing something or are webmasters also uros? Third, sounds like you probably make more money off of Prosta-q advertising than anything else. And finally how the hell can you diagnois me over the internet when you don't know my history? As mr dinero said "Uh oh, we have a moron here". Webdork, stick to building your website, selling herbal crap, and diagnosing uneducated idiots. Maybe you can even suggest like another famous poster here. "take bactrim, it'll take care of anything". Good night now j.rk off. The Pig > > If bacteria has been ruled out as you say by the latest and greatest > > study. Why are Uro's and hospitals all over the world handing out [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Hmmm. "Thanks for the dialogue" is the way Dr Polacheck ended his emails > to me a few years ago. The plot thickens .... Dr. Pig wrote: >The major step forward is finding a uro that does the basiscs Nice nickname Dr. P. You certainly are swine! >The major step forward is finding a uro that does the basiscs. Polacheck is not a urologist, and what exactly are the "basiscs"? >nice to have a Dr. who spends more then 10 mins with you, listens and >performs comprehensive lab work. Patrick, is Dr. Polacheck paying you, and if so how much? You've been promoting his business on the newsgroup for years now. You guys are weirdos. Let me ask you then a different question since I live in Southern California and am looking at going to see Dr. P, is there someone local that any of you could recomend that does the basiscs from a diagnosis standpoint. Trust me, if I don't have to fly out to Tucson 12 times and there is somewhere local that you freaks think "is not pushing their services" then let me know. Other wise you people are nothing more than loosers who knock people just for the sake of knocking people. The Pig > >nice to have a Dr. who spends more then 10 mins with you, listens and > >performs comprehensive lab work. > > Patrick, is Dr. Polacheck paying you, and if so how much? You've been promoting > his business on the newsgroup for years now. >You guys are weirdos. And this is coming from a poster calling himself "The Pig." > You guys are weirdos. Let me ask you then a different question since I live > in Southern California and am looking at going to see Dr. P, is there [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > The Pig Why not go with someone affiliated with a major academic institution with peer reviewed articles in the literature about prostatitis (in other words, the opposite of Dr. Polechek): http://drzeitlin.com/ Mr Pubmed, thank you very much for the link that you provided. This is someone that I have never heard of and I will make some calls. This is great because they are not to far from me...definitely closer than Phoenix. By the way to all the other posters that simply want to make fun or question others attempts at trying to get help you guys really are not helping anyone. People come to these groups to get some kind of help and your constant insistance that treatments that didn't work for you are bogus only hurts. Thanks. The Pig > > You guys are weirdos. Let me ask you then a different question since I live > > in Southern California and am looking at going to see Dr. P, is there [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://drzeitlin.com/ > Mr Pubmed, thank you very much for the link that you provided. This is > someone that I have never heard of and I will make some calls. This is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > constant insistance that treatments that didn't work for you are bogus only > hurts. Thanks. Here is his publication record for prostatitis: Zeitlin SI. Heat therapy in the treatment of prostatitis. Urology. 2002 Dec;60(6 Suppl):38-40; discussion 41. Review. PMID: 12521593 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 2: Schaeffer AJ, Datta NS, Fowler JE Jr, Krieger JN, Litwin MS, Nadler RB, Nickel JC, Pontari MA, Shoskes DA, Zeitlin SI, Hart C; Chronic Prostatitis Collaborative Research Network. Overview summary statement. Diagnosis and management of chronic prostatitis/chronic pelvic pain syndrome (CP/CPPS). Urology. 2002 Dec;60(6 Suppl):1-4. Review. PMID: 12521576 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 3: Shoskes DA, Zeitlin SI. Use of prostatic massage in combination with antibiotics in the treatment of chronic prostatitis. Prostate Cancer Prostatic Dis. 1999 May;2(3):159-162. PMID: 12496826 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] 4: Schaeffer AJ, Knauss JS, Landis JR, Propert KJ, Alexander RB, Litwin MS, Nickel JC, O'Leary MP, Nadler RB, Pontari MA, Shoskes DA, Zeitlin SI, Fowler JE Jr, Mazurick CA, Kusek JW, Nyberg LM; Chronic Prostatitis Collaborative Research Network Study Group. Leukocyte and bacterial counts do not correlate with severity of symptoms in men with chronic prostatitis: the National Institutes of Health Chronic Prostatitis Cohort Study. J Urol. 2002 Sep;168(3):1048-53. PMID: 12187220 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 5: Schaeffer AJ, Landis JR, Knauss JS, Propert KJ, Alexander RB, Litwin MS, Nickel JC, O'Leary MP, Nadler RB, Pontari MA, Shoskes DA, Zeitlin SI, Fowler JE Jr, Mazurick CA, Kishel L, Kusek JW, Nyberg LM; Chronic Prostatitis Collaborative Research Network Group. Demographic and clinical characteristics of men with chronic prostatitis: the national institutes of health chronic prostatitis cohort study. J Urol. 2002 Aug;168(2):593-8. PMID: 12131316 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] 6: Shoskes DA, Zeitlin SI, Shahed A, Rajfer J. Quercetin in men with category III chronic prostatitis: a preliminary prospective, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Urology. 1999 Dec;54(6):960-3. PMID: 10604689 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Now you could go to that bald headed little maggot in Weston Florida and he can fill ya up to the the gills with "Q". "Q" cures everthing even cancer - how do we know this - bald headed little maggot tells us so - thats how !!!! > The bottom line is, I'm not sure if anyone knows >100% what causes this, so we as sufferers must continue to move and >fight on and try the different modalities that are out there, until we >find one that works for us. >Guys, looking at going to see Dr. Polacheck in Tucson to have what I think >is Prostatitis. Have had for about 5 years and have done and been through [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >The Pig There's something very fishy about this post. And since when does Polacheck charge a flat rate of 3 grand? I imagine whether a patient spends 3 grand or 30 grand would depend upon the duration of treatment, and as we all know, some of his patients stay at his clinic for a looong time. For the record. I'm not on anyones payroll. Just a sufferer who was treated by Dr. P and found relief. No matter what is said on this board, that cannot be changed. I'm not saying that Dr. P. will work for all. I'm sure that the other models also work very effectively given the right circumstances. My point is, as a sufferer, you have to exhaust every option out there, or remain in pain. There is NO definitive treatment for CP. There is NO landmark study that says one treatment is better then another. There is proof that while one person can pay "host" to a certain bacteria with zero problems, that same bacteria can cause problems in another person. There also seems to be proof that muscle tension can also cause these symptoms. Heck "Q" may work for some sufferers, I dont know. Tucson worked for me. I am getting alot of e-mails, but it appears that my companies firewall is blocking some of them. Keep trying and I will try to answer your questions as I can. God Speed. Hi (The Pig), I am not sure you still access this site, Hope you do, I am have prostatitis for almost 4 month, my main symptom is frequent urination and pain and burning on all my urethra. I just wonder you were looking for doctor at that time, how is your symptom now, have you have any good treatment now. please help me out My email is anwarmamtili@yahoo.com Thanks |
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