Prostatitis and Crohn's Disease

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SNRNPUB - 23 Jul 2003 22:30 GMT

I have been diagnosed with chronic nonbacterial prostatis, and have also
learned recently through a colonoscopy that I have inflamation in the Ileum
(small intestine) which the doctor considers to be early Crohn's Disease. The
urologist and gastrointerologist don't consider the two to be related, but
since there is a theory that both of these are autoimmune diseases, I can't
help but wonder if they are related. Does anyone else have inflamation in both
of these areas? The GI wants me to consider taking Imuran, an
immunosuppressant drug for the Crohn's. Has anyone had an experience of this
drug having a beneficial effect on prostatitis?

Thanks for your input,
George

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The person you think - 23 Jul 2003 22:59 GMT

> I have been diagnosed with chronic nonbacterial prostatis, and have also
> learned recently through a colonoscopy that I have inflamation in the Ileum
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> Thanks for your input,
> George

You'd do best getting on to a Crohn's web site and joining a mailing list there and asking the questions. I, too, have inflammation in the bowels but apart from sleep apnea diagnosed, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Chronic Prostatitis and a few other auto immune diseases I have been diagnosed with, apparently there is nothing wrong with me. Therefore, when I have gone to the doctor, in the past, for help because I cant work a full day any longer, I am a hypochondriac. Beware, at this point, the medical profession. You WILL feel pretty sick and unless you have a good doctor who cares (a rarity) then you will be told you are a hypochondriac even though you have the medical records to prove otherwise. Always read any referral the GP gives you to give to a specialist and refuse to take it until the doc has worded it properly and not added his/her own beliefs or just don't go back tot he doctor. I cant any longer because I cant get competent medical help which is a normal thing in Australia anyway. Don't take medication and hope for the best. It is what I have done and I have ended up in hospital because of it but I refused treatment when there excepting for the pneumonia I had developed for the first time in my life. If I cant research a drug, I wont take it.

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jrh - 11 Aug 2003 22:44 GMT

>> I have been diagnosed with chronic nonbacterial prostatis, and have =
>also
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>> Thanks for your input,
>> George

>You'd do best getting on to a Crohn's web site and joining a mailing =
>list there and asking the questions. I, too, have inflammation in the =
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>developed for the first time in my life. If I cant research a drug, I =
>wont take it.

A low grade anorectal disorder, such as mucosis, fistula, or
impacted/ruptured anal gland, could lead to an immune system
response causing CPPS.

A fistula can be very hard to detect.
Fistulas don't heal.
( mucosis invasion by the natural flora of the intestional tract? )
Fistulas enable seepage of fecal material into the surrounding tissue
causing pain, and bringing on an immune system response.

Fungi, lining the fistula, could migrate to the prostrate, leading to
reoccuring infections, enlargement, and scaring.

The immune system, once activated, may start attacking sperm cells
in the prostrate, or prostrate tissue.

Many fungi produce chemicals that interfere with the flow of blood,
which makes them very resistant to treatment, once they are established.

A disorder of this type would be difficult to detect because the
fungi may be of a type that is normally found in the intestiona tract.

etc.

jrh

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Rasputin - 24 Jul 2003 03:45 GMT

> I have been diagnosed with chronic nonbacterial prostatis, and have also
> learned recently through a colonoscopy that I have inflamation in the Ileum
> (small intestine) which the doctor considers to be early Crohn's Disease. The
> urologist and gastrointerologist don't consider the two to be related, but
> since there is a theory that both of these are autoimmune diseases, I can't
> help but wonder if they are related.

The more cutting edge research is actually centered around the
hypothesis that Crohn's is not an autoimmune disease but an
immunodeficiency disease resulting in infection with ordinarily
harmless bacteria, and new trials are using immune stimulating agents
rather than immune suppressing agents to fight the disease, with
better success.

http://ibd.patientcommunity.com/new/displayreplys.cfm?ID=1017&forum_id=10

Very little is know about prostatitis compared to Crohn's.

Does anyone else have inflamation in both

> of these areas? The GI wants me to consider taking Imuran, an
> immunosuppressant drug for the Crohn's. Has anyone had an experience of this
> drug having a beneficial effect on prostatitis?

No personal experience but - it could just as easily make prostatitis
worse, and many people who take these kinds of treatments for Crohn's
end up needing surgery on large portions of their intestines

> Thanks for your input,
> George

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Mast Cells - 24 Jul 2003 12:42 GMT

>I have been diagnosed with chronic nonbacterial prostatis, and have also
>learned recently through a colonoscopy that I have inflamation in the Ileum
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>immunosuppressant drug for the Crohn's. Has anyone had an experience of this
>drug having a beneficial effect on prostatitis?

Hi George,

I haven't tried that particular immunosuppressant, but a short course of
prednisone made me feel better for a while. Of course, months and months of
various antibiotics only made my prostatitis symptoms worse and destroyed my
health and life in general. Please keep us updated.

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