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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostatitis / October 2003Indiago Laser Surgery , the solution no side effects
I'm surprised no posted when I posted this first. Am I missing something? http://www.allaboutbph.com/treatment/tr_minimally.htm This users an optical probe, a laser, an solve the problem permanently, no side effects. > I'm surprised no posted when I posted this first. Am I missing > something? Do you know the difference between BPH and prostatitis? Each has his own NG. One involves older people and the other involves younger ones usually. A twenty year old doesn't want to hear about BPH. > http://www.allaboutbph.com/treatment/tr_minimally.htm > > This users an optical probe, a laser, an solve the problem permanently, > no side effects. >Do you know the difference between BPH and prostatitis? >Each has his own NG. One involves older people and the other involves >younger ones usually. A twenty year old doesn't want to hear about BPH. Sometimes BPH can make a fellow more suceptible to prostatitis. It would be interesting to know if any study has found that thermal or radio therapy helps reduce the incidence of prostatitis. > >Do you know the difference between BPH and prostatitis? > >Each has his own NG. One involves older people and the other involves [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > interesting to know if any study has found that thermal or radio therapy helps > reduce the incidence of prostatitis. So you are saying prostatitis incidence increases with age? What is the mean age of BPH vs prostatitis? Laser therapy is used to vaporize prostate tissue in BPH and in a skilled surgeon can minimize some complications such as nerve damage by the old method. More complete studies have shown a slight to minimal improvement in complication rates, maybe skill level not there yet? hi robert - you have brought an interesting point. for the most part, prostatitis seems to involve a lot of young people. notice - i used the word - "seems". let's face it. young people are putting that prostate through the paces - frequent ejaculations, high sex use where possible - hormones are running pretty free in the younger person. that's how nature does it. there are only two times that the prostate grows. one - at puberty, two, after age 25 (and it continues to grow from then on) now, why don't they tell the male this to begin with. it should not be a secret. so, as the male ages, then prostatitis that he had when he was younger gives way to the symptoms of the BPH problems as the prostate grows, but if the male was having prostatitis infections, then the BPH condition is not going to help this. so, in a way the two newsgroups are related and in a way they are not. can you imagine a person in the 50's that has suffered from prostatitis since they were in the 20's or 30's and now since they have a swollen prostate from aging, along with the stones from previous infections, they may or may block the acini ducts which can cause great pain (and this is not an infection, but a condition) the end result is that the male is suffering and is it due to prostatitis or BPH, a mixture of both or a blockage. it's just a point to ponder and my .02 cents worth. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional > hi robert - you have brought an interesting point. for the most part, > prostatitis seems to involve a lot of young people. notice - i used the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > male is suffering and is it due to prostatitis or BPH, a mixture of both > or a blockage. So why not just treat the prostatitis patient with techniques used in treating BPH. Lets start with surgery, NOT. They are connected because they are both the prostate as you mentioned. > it's just a point to ponder and my .02 cents worth. > > ~ curtis > > knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional hi robert - even though the prostatitis and BPH are in the same gland, there are still a lot of differences. i would look at this as one with the eyes. when you are young you may need glasses, but as you age, you may need surgery to replace the lens in the eyes. now, do you replace the lens when you are young? maybe, something hit your hot button on your response about treating prostatitis like BPH and referring to surgery. having a lot more miles on this old body and putting it through hell, i feel that i can say that prostatitis can affect you when you are a lot younger and boy, when you have it, it does get your attention. but as you age, BPH knocks on your door and you, now, have two things to face, then somewhere down the road a little further, prostate cancer knocks on your door. since i have had prostatitis, and BPH, and prostate cancer, i feel that i can maybe, do some headlighting for you on these subjects. prostatitis is just the inflammation of the gland. it is about addressing the issue of the source of the inflammation of a good prostate gland. BPH is the growth inside the gland. if can you imagine what it is like now to hurt, then maybe you can imagine what it is like to hurt and not be cured because of the physical growths inside. i do think that your response was short sighted and i did not say that we ought to treat prostatitis as the same as BPH - you did. you are the one who said start with surgery. i address was the original poster's response as to why the two newsgroups and how they may be related. i have been around in this newsgroup since 1997 and have seen people discuss the different diets, the different treatments, the different doctors. opinions flow very strongly in this newsgroup. more than any other newsgroup. i have seen two very good doctors ran off by this newsgroup and i'm not talking about the ones everyone flame back and forth. i'm talking about ones who still have an ongoing practice in the u.s. and would take the time and effort to expalin things to some of us who had problems. i will address your comment, "a 20 year old don't want to hear about BPH" my answer to that is, maybe so. you don't want to hear about BPH, but will not hearing about it make it go away. and at what does a person come down with BPH? in my travels, i've seen people in their early 30's with it. does that mean this prostatitis newsgroup that you are in is strictly for the 20 year olds? and what about advice given here? your answer was harsh in response to a person who was offering a suggestion. maybe, just maybe i'm old fashion in my thinking. but i use to think like you. i was impatient, wanted to get to the core of the situation, and to hell to the rest of it. screw the explanations, make it go away and i'm happy. but i found out that it didn't work that away. if there are any old posters still left, they will vouch for what i'm about to say. this newsgroup use to have on the average, 200 to 400 messages in it for years. check now and see how many are here and if you back out what the length of this thread, it would lose almost 10% of the total messages. so, this is my story and i'm sticking to it. if you feel that i'm off base - blast away to your heart content. flame away or to any other posters if it will make you feel better, but after you are done and have had your say in telling everyone how you felt, maybe - just maybe, after it is all said and done, you will wonder why nobody ever posts here any more. they still have prostatitis, they just don't want to get blasted for sharing their feelings and thoughts. again, just my .02 cents. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional > hi robert - even though the prostatitis and BPH are in the same gland, > there are still a lot of differences. i would look at this as one with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > feel that i can say that prostatitis can affect you when you are a lot > younger and boy, when you have it, it does get your attention. And you can post here to your hearts content. but as > you age, BPH knocks on your door and you, now, have two things to face, And you then can post to the BPH newsgroup with specific advice concerning it. > then somewhere down the road a little further, prostate cancer knocks on > your door. And there is a specific NG for prostate cancer and you are welcome in posting to that. since i have had prostatitis, and BPH, and prostate cancer, > i feel that i can maybe, do some headlighting for you on these subjects. Perfect, just do so in the appropriate group. > prostatitis is just the inflammation of the gland. it is about > addressing the issue of the source of the inflammation of a good [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > we ought to treat prostatitis as the same as BPH - you did. you are the > one who said start with surgery. I was pointing out the differences in treatment as read the topic at hand, "laser surgery". > i address was the original poster's response as to why the two > newsgroups and how they may be related. i have been around in this > newsgroup since 1997 and have seen people discuss the different diets, He got no response to his post earlier and HE WAS wondering and upset why nobody cared about his post and I was pointing out that nobody here in this NG cares about BPH. He got no response to his post. > the different treatments, the different doctors. opinions flow very > strongly in this newsgroup. more than any other newsgroup. i have seen > two very good doctors ran off by this newsgroup and i'm not talking > about the ones everyone flame back and forth. i'm talking about ones > who still have an ongoing practice in the u.s. and would take the time > and effort to expalin things to some of us who had problems. I feel like less explaining and more adequate treatments speak for themselves as I don't need a sales pitch or spin put on by doctors. They should put up or shutup and if they have a cure then they will come, build it and they will come. Read my lips, they put a spin on laser surgery only to see the same complication rates later on. > i will address your comment, "a 20 year old don't want to hear about > BPH" > > my answer to that is, maybe so. you don't want to hear about BPH, but > will not hearing about it make it go away. and at what does a person > come down with BPH? Then he will go to the BPH newsgroup. What if one comes down with diabetes? He goes to that newsgroup, is that too complicated for you? in my travels, They have a NG for travel also. i've seen people in their early 30's > with it. does that mean this prostatitis newsgroup that you are in is > strictly for the 20 year olds? and what about advice given here? > > your answer was harsh in response to a person who was offering a > suggestion. What suggestion as he was insistenting on a response. maybe, just maybe i'm old fashion in my thinking. but i > use to think like you. i was impatient, wanted to get to the core of > the situation, and to hell to the rest of it. screw the explanations, > make it go away and i'm happy. but i found out that it didn't work that > away. WTF ?????? > if there are any old posters still left, they will vouch for what i'm > about to say. this newsgroup use to have on the average, 200 to 400 > messages in it for years. What answers did they come up with? It's gone with the wind. check now and see how many are here and if > you back out what the length of this thread, it would lose almost 10% of > the total messages. > > so, this is my story and i'm sticking to it. if you feel that i'm off > base - blast away to your heart content. flame away or to any other > posters if it will make you feel better, It was not a flame but a direct answer to the poster who was demanding why nobody responded to his post. I told him why. I find it interesting and so much so that I directed him to the BPH group where it would be better appreciated. but after you are done and have > had your say in telling everyone how you felt, maybe - just maybe, after > it is all said and done, you will wonder why nobody ever posts here any > more. > > they still have prostatitis, they just don't want to get blasted for > sharing their feelings and thoughts. No problem you can share your feelings all you want about any topic here but don't demand an explanation on why nobody responds. > again, just my .02 cents. A penny for your thoughts and I come ahead one cent. > ~ curtis > > knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional |
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