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Idea Man - 21 Oct 2003 20:54 GMT
Have any of you guy's had a cystoscopy and hydrodistension to rule out IC?
What was your experience like?

As Elvis would say, " thankyou, thankyou very much".
Beach Runner@nospam.com - 23 Oct 2003 14:22 GMT
> Have any of you guy's had a cystoscopy and hydrodistension to rule out IC?
> What was your experience like?
>
> As Elvis would say, " thankyou, thankyou very much".

If you have a cystoscopy, there are at least 2 types, soft and rigid. The
difference is like
day and night.   Don't let anyone near you with a stiff probe, it hurts 100x
more
and I've never been the same since. The soft probe is nothing.

Bob
c palmer - 23 Oct 2003 16:02 GMT
hi idea man - are you sure you don't mean hydroextension?  i don't know
of hydroinstension, but i had the cystoscopy/hydroextension on september
30th.

it was not done for IC though.  i had a surgery in april for removal of
the prostate due to cancer and i've been having scaring problems where
they sewn everything back together again and couldn't pee.   that, plus
they had to reduce the size of your bladder and you don't hold as much
urine.  

i had the csytoscopy and dilatation of stricture in july.  this is where
they go in and look around and stretch the scar tissue.  i was hooked up
to an iv table.  i was told i would be in a 'rolling sleep'  i asked
what that meant and was told that i would drift in and out of awareness.
well, after i got on the operating table, that was it.  i don't remember
anything until 20 minutes later when they were cleaning me up.  

in sept, i had the  same joy juice.  i like it because it behaves like
when you get a tooth filled with gas.  after it leaves you body, and it
leaves fairly fast, you have no after effects or sickness.  

i know after the sept operation, i can still pee like a race horse and
my bladder size would dump 250ml to 350ml before i went in and right
afterwards, i dumped my bladder to the tune of a whopping 550ml.  it has
since dropped back to around 350ml all the time.  

if they do a csytoscope, they usually fill the bladder up with water,
but that doesn't mean they are going to do a hydroextension.  a
hydroextension is where they 'stretch' the bladder by pressurizing the
bladder for a period of 8 minutes to stretch the tissue.  in my case, i
had trauma to the bladder itself and could see why, but i would have to
wonder if they used that procedure on a person who hasn't had any
problems.

and yes, there is a different between the rigid and flexible scope.

i hope this answered your question.  

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Idea Man - 23 Oct 2003 17:51 GMT
"c palmer"  wrote...

> if they do a csytoscope, they usually fill the bladder up with water,
> but that doesn't mean they are going to do a hydroextension.  a
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> wonder if they used that procedure on a person who hasn't had any
> problems.

Thanks for your account, Palmer. Glad your able to void with more ease these
days! I have always thought it was hydrodistension, or hydrodistenTion, not
hydroextension? Anyhow, as you say, it is the procedure where they fill the
bladder in a check for IC. Sounds like you went through the procedure and
enjoyed the gas....hehe....I'm wondering if anyone else has had any side
effects due to the trauma of bladder filling, and the rigid scope.

Regards.
c palmer - 23 Oct 2003 23:49 GMT
hi idea man - i don't know if what you are doing to have done is going
to involve  using a catheter for the day afterwards - mine did, but then
again - my body has been through hell.  my comment is this - there are
two types of catheters, a latex model and a silicon model.  i found the
silicon model easier on the body.  

by the way, when my prostate hit the path. table after surgery, they
said that i had CP as well as prostate stones in it.    i didn't have,
but one major bout with CP and that was back in 1996, yet when you get
told you had evidence of CP for all those years, does make you scratch
your head, because i didn't have the pain but i did have other symptoms
that i thought went along with the BPH conditions.  who knows???  all i
know is that little puppy had a lot of problems with it.  enlarged to
twice it's size, BPH, prostatitis, prostate stones, and cancer.  when it
crapped out, it crapped out big time.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Idea Man - 24 Oct 2003 23:40 GMT
"c palmer"  wrote...

> by the way, when my prostate hit the path. table after surgery, they
> said that i had CP as well as prostate stones in it.    i didn't have,
> but one major bout with CP and that was back in 1996, yet when you get
> told you had evidence of CP for all those years, does make you scratch
> your head, because i didn't have the pain but i did have other symptoms
> that i thought went along with the BPH conditions.  who knows???

Thanks for the account, Palmer.

That's very interesting you did not have pain or symptoms of chronic
prostatitis all those years, ( except in 1996 ), yet when your prostate was
removed at a later date, they found a stone and evidence of the CP
suggesting you had it all along and didn't even know it. You mention not
having chronic prostatitis symptoms all those years, but you did have other
prostatic problems. You may be interested to know that some researchers feel
there is a relationship between prostatitis, BPH, and prostate cancer. They
might wonder if your bout of chronic prostatitis back in 96 was related to
your eventual prostate cancer? There's not much research yet on the topic.
Oh, and I'm not making any claims.

Anyhow, I understand the significance of a found stone, but I'm not sure
what you mean by the found evidence of CP? Does this mean that the doctor
viewed inflammation in your gland once it was out? How big was the stone and
do you know what part of the gland it was located?

Thanks for anymore of your comments.
Regards.
c palmer - 25 Oct 2003 06:19 GMT
hi idea man - you have the wrong picture on the prostate stones.  75% of
men have them by the time they are in their 50's and 100% have them by
the time they are in the 70's.  and we aren't talking about one or two
stones.  to find out more about them, do a web search on prostate stones
and see what turns up.

i didn't know that much about them until i lit up like a christmas tree
with the probe up my butt.  i have an excellent relationship with the
surgeon and when he called everyone over in the operating room to look
at the monitor and talked about how they stood out,  i asked him, "what"
stood out and that is when he went over to the machine and ran off 4
pictures of my prostate by ultrasound (like women get with their baby)
and showed me what he was looking at.  

i did ask him what happens if they get infected and he said they have to
come out, but didn't say "how".

so, add this to my other posts, and only having the one bout with CP and
having "many" prostate stones, and no pain, it makes one wonder what's
going on when someone is in sheer pain with an inflamed prostate.  

for what's in worth, they are finding a link between a gene and prostate
cancer.  this is why one person can have prostatitis all his life and
not get cancer, and someone else never has any problem and gets pca.

the things they don't tell you and you own one of those prostates.  i
mean a boy ought to be told that there are two times  his prostate will
grow, at puberty and after age 25.  that it can get inflamed, that the
prostate has a tendency to goes cancerous when a man is in his 60's -
doesn't mean everyone's will, but if one knew, you will be watching out
for it and make sure it doesn't kill you.

and if you are african american, or if you have a first relative
(father, brother) that has prostate cancer, you are considered
high-risk.  

as far as addressing how the doctor viewed the prostate as CP.  he is a
trained professional and that is all he does is look at these all day
long, so my guess, is that there is probably some type of scaring - make
sense, because when the body gets irritated, it's scars - and the scars
are probably old scars.  but that is just an educated guess.

the information that i'm telling should not be new, but probably is to a
lot of people.  i didn't find out most of it until i was in my 50's and
i read a lot.

hope this information helps.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Idea Man - 23 Oct 2003 17:45 GMT
<Beach  wrote..

> If you have a cystoscopy, there are at least 2 types, soft and rigid. The
> difference is like
> day and night.   Don't let anyone near you with a stiff probe, it hurts 100x
> more
> and I've never been the same since. The soft probe is nothing.

Thanks for the comment. From my understanding they would use the rigid
cystoscopy instead of the flexible scope for hydrodistension, ( stretching
bladder ). This normally happens when there is a check for IC. Where's Sven
Garlick when you need him? Hehe...

Sorry you had side effects from rigid scope procedure, Beach. Did they check
you for IC? What negative changes did you experience after that? This is
actually what I am wondering about.

Regards.
Beach Runner@nospam.com - 25 Oct 2003 15:20 GMT
> <Beach  wrote..
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Regards.

Rigid ones hurt.
 
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