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Chlorine & toxin's in our tap water.

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Idea Man - 13 Oct 2003 21:38 GMT
** Should we re-consider soaking in hot bath's to help control pain?**

I think it may be a good idea to use some sort of filter to reduce the
amount of toxin's like CHLORINE in our bathing and showering water.

SHOWERING

New research has uncovered that drinking polluted tap water is far from the
only way people are exposed to dangerous substances.  According to New
Scientist Magazine, taking long hot showers is a serious health risk.
During the shower, the chemicals evaporate out of the water and are inhaled
into the lungs and absorbed through the skin.  This delivers up to 100 times
more chlorine to the person than if they drank the water -- and directly
into the bloodstream.

WATER FILTERS

WATER FILTERS, purifiers and distillers are available for the home that can
turn toxin-filled tap water into healthy water for drinking and bathing.
Shower and bath filters generally do a good job of removing pollutants from
the water, and good kitchen models are available for the countertop, under
the sink, and refrigerator.
Look for kitchen filters that are certified by NSF International (The
National Sanitation Foundation) or that meet EPA (Environmental Protection
Agency) standards.  Choose a shower filter based on how many gallons of
water it can clean.

REFERENCES:

1. Drinking Water Standards and Health Advisories, Office of Water, U.S.
Environmental Protection Agency,  Wash, D.C., Summer 2000

2. Lancet, 5 December 98, Volume 352, Number 9143 and Lancet 23 August 97,
Volume 350, Number 9077

3. American Museum of Natural History: Epidemic, 1993: Cryptosporidiosis In
Milwaukee

4. Effect of monochloramine disinfection of municipal drinking water on risk
of nosocomial Legionnaires'
disease, The Lancet, Volume 353, Number 9149, 23 January 1999

5. Teotia SPS, Teotia M, Dental caries: a disorder of high fluoride and low
dietary calcium interactions (30 years
of personal research), Fluoride, 1994 April, 27:2, 59-66

6. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR). Toxicological
Profile for Fluorides, Hydrogen Fluoride, and Fluorine. US Department of
Health and Human Services, Public Health Service.
1991; ATSDR/TP-91/17.

7. New Scientist Magazine, 18 Sept. 1986

8. Nutrition Almanac, McGraw-Hill Books
Idea Man - 19 Oct 2003 22:46 GMT
LOL!!  I'm surprised none of you are concerned about over-abundance of
CHLORINE and the quality of your regular tap water? Many of you soak in
chlorinated hot baths to control pain. Do any of you have an opinion on
this? Is there a need for tap water filters or is this need minimal? (
grumbling to himself in bewilderment as he send's off this message....hehe )
Mast Cells - 20 Oct 2003 04:55 GMT
>LOL!!  I'm surprised none of you are concerned about over-abundance of
>CHLORINE and the quality of your regular tap water? Many of you soak in
>chlorinated hot baths to control pain. Do any of you have an opinion on
>this? Is there a need for tap water filters or is this need minimal? (
>grumbling to himself in bewilderment as he send's off this message....hehe )

I didn't respond to your message for two reasons. 1) It was off-topic. 2) Your
fears are irrational. 3) Because of reasons 1 and 2, I found your post
annoying, and I didn't want post a rude response. But if you really want a
reply, I'll give you one.
Idea Man - 21 Oct 2003 12:16 GMT
"Mast Cells" wrote...

> I didn't respond to your message for two reasons.

No offence, but I didn't ask YOU personally to respond. And by your tone,
you shouldn't be surprised why I didn't seek you out.

1) It was off-topic.

No. It is not off topic. I hate to break the news to you, but most, if not
all CPPS sufferer's, soak in hot water to help control pain. Raising
concerns about the chlorine in this tap water is a legitimate issue.

2) Your fears are irrational.

I hardly agree, and your out of line for making the suggestion. Geez boss,
have you not taken note of the multi-billion dollar bottled water market?
Many people prefer purified water beverages because they are not comfortable
with regular tap water anymore. Chlorine can kill if it is ingested and
smaller amounts can cause health problems. It is not irrational to wonder if
the chemicals in our tap water have a negative effect on our bodies natural
balance over the long term, nor out of line to wonder if saturating your
body with chlorinated bathing water for months and months is wise

3) Because of reasons 1 and 2, I found your post annoying, and I didn't
want post a rude response.

Let's not talk about annoying just yet Cell-boy. As we can see, your still
dealing with this eliminating rudeness issue and your not doing well. How is
class going?

> But if you really want a reply, I'll give you one.

Naw....no thanks. I don't really want your comment about this. Maybe on some
other topic though? I can see we will get nowhere besides arguing. I'm not
interested in arguing. But thanks for the offer anyhow! :-)
Mast Cells - 20 Oct 2003 06:08 GMT
>** Should we re-consider soaking in hot bath's to help control pain?**

Not because of the reasons this article is giving.

>I think it may be a good idea to use some sort of filter to reduce the
>amount of toxin's like CHLORINE in our bathing and showering water.

Sodium hypochlorite and monochloramine are *extremely* reactive chemicals that
react very quickly with organic compounds. The evidence suggests that very
little (a safe amount), if any, chlorine exists in the tap water we drink by
the time it reaches our faucets and showerheads.  

>SHOWERING
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>more chlorine to the person than if they drank the water -- and directly
>into the bloodstream.

"Scientist Magazine," eh? So they are accusing the vast majority of public
health experts of harming the communities of North America by poisoning them
with toxic levels of chlorine gas (Cl2), an agent that was used as a weapon in
WWW1? That a pretty radical accusation! Do they suggest we all stop showering
immediately, at least until we buy their precious filters and install them in
our showers?

>WATER FILTERS
>
>WATER FILTERS, purifiers and distillers are available for the home that can
>turn toxin-filled tap water

"Toxin-filled tap water?" Listen to this irresponsible, alarmist crap.

>into healthy water for drinking and bathing.
>Shower and bath filters generally do a good job of removing pollutants from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>National Sanitation Foundation) or that meet EPA (Environmental Protection
>Agency) standards.  

If certain types of these filters are not properly cleaned and/or replaced
regularly, harmful bacteria may grow in them, which could result in people
getting sick.

Who wrote this article, anyway? Someone with commercial interests, I'd bet.

Derek, if you're so concerned about our poisonous public drinking water, why
don't you move to the third world and sample its water, some of which is not
treated with chlorine? Just don't blame me when you get cholera, typhoid, or
enterric fever.

Alternatively, if you're so concerned about any tiny amount of chlorine that
might be in the water you drink, you could boil it first, then put it in the
refrigerator once it has cooled down. Boiling the water would cause any trace
amount of chlorine to leave as CL2. Of course, "Scientist Magazine" would
advise you to wear a gas mask while doing this, because our drinking water has
so much toxic chlorine in it.

Now, can we get back to prostatitis?
Mast Cells - 20 Oct 2003 22:21 GMT
Idea Man - 21 Oct 2003 12:48 GMT
"Mast Cells" wrote..

> Sodium hypochlorite and monochloramine are *extremely* reactive chemicals that
> react very quickly with organic compounds. The evidence suggests that very
> little (a safe amount), if any, chlorine exists in the tap water we drink by
> the time it reaches our faucets and showerheads.

I just wanted to add, before I ignore your comments on this particular
topic, that there certainly is residual chlorine found in drinking water.
Maybe you should take a pitcher of regular tap water, ( as I mentioned
before ), and let it sit overnight without the lid on. This is one way of
allowing the chlorine to evaporate. After that is done, and before drinking
it, put that pitcher of water in the fridge to chill. Then later taste it.
You tell me with a straight face that you will not notice a significant
difference in taste and smell, and not realize just how much chlorine was in
that water. You are wrong to suggest that there is no chlorine that exists
in the tap water we drink by the time it reaches our faucets and
showerheads. By the way, do you not recall the water-borne E. coli outbreak
in the rural southwestern Ontario town in May of 2000 that killed several
people? The worker's maintaining the communities water system did not use an
adequate amount of chlorine and it virtually caused an epidemic. The people
responsible admitted that they had filled out reports with inaccurate
chlorine
readings for the town's water system, and that they falsified the chlorine
readings that were submitted to the Environment Ministry. They were
increasing and decreasing the amount of chlorine in the water system on a
whim....lol...

The only point I am making is that it might not be as safe as we all think
to saturate ourselves in hot bathing water to help control pain, if it is
regular tap water. My tip -- get a good water filter.
 
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