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Ben - 10 Mar 2004 00:13 GMT
Contrarian All Fours Meditation

This submission is about meditation and the immune system. Before having
a biopsy, which diagnosed my prostate as cancerous I looked into
meditation on the WWW for a therapeutic remedy. One site told me that
the brain was not connected to cancer and since meditation is a function
of the brain it could have no possible effect.

Being a contrarian by nature and probably after this - to some - a
crackpot, I have decided to take issue with that. The basic tenet of
meditation is I think, to sit still and somehow slow your heartbeat
while breathing normally. I call it lulling your body to sleep. I
decided to walk around my rec. room very slowly (not as slow as Tim
Conway did as the old man on the Carol Burnett show) and breathe deeply,
repeating (mentally)'I am' while inhaling and 'alive' when exhaling very
slowly. When exhaling I can feel a soothing rush moving from the top of
my body down to my feet.

I'm theorizing that during inactive meditation the immune system goes to
sleep. Walking, while breathing deeply, increases circulation perhaps
activating the system. Saying I'm alive is a factual statement sending a
positive message through your body, in contrast to: I want to live or
other such statements, which to me is pleading and therefore negative.
Perhaps you body's immunity manager would even be offended and shout,
"get the hell off my back I've got enough on my hands down here sorting
out all the crap you're swallowing!"

An aside
While walking I noticed that my palms got cold when inhaling and then
suddenly warm when exhaling. It is almost as if my body breathes through
the skin. I've only tried it once while sitting with my socks off and it
seems to have the same effect on my soles. This is most effective in a
colder room. Well all right - I'm procrastinating.

Continuing
After a few days I decided to yield to conventional wisdom and sit down
meditating, only still breathing deeply. I have read somewhere that you
should meditate for twenty minutes at the time. That is a long time to
stay in the same position, so after five minutes, for some inexplicable
reason, I decided to get down on all fours for the next five.

Here comes the crackpot part. Since it is impossible for me to go on
repeating, I'm alive, due to a brain with a mind of its own (there's a
thought); I got thinking about animals living their lives that way. Then
I remembered reading somewhere that the spine has not yet evolved
perfectly for bipedalism, which is supposed to be the reason why so many
of us have back problems. In evolutionary terms we have in one form or
another spend much more time on all fours than otherwise. Is it possible
then that the immune system has a similar problem and that it functions
better on all fours?

During the following few days I included five minute kneeling with my
forearms on a chair, simulating the spine angle of some of our
ancestors; then for variety, five minutes standing with my forearms
resting on a table.

Finally, as a way of tipping my hat to inactive meditation, I sit on a
chair again for five minutes while breathing normally, still relishing
the rush, which by then feels almost orgasmic - well close. If it's near
bedtime, I'm almost asleep.

If nothing else, changing positions makes the time fly. In addition I
feel rejuvenated and relaxed after each session.

I use my screensaver as a timer, (six minutes by now) which means that
I just have to touch the mouse after each segment. That is thirty
minutes three times a day.  

Gentlemen and - oh yes - ladies, start your critiques please.    

               Ben the contrarian
olfart - 10 Mar 2004 00:40 GMT
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Yawn.....
c palmer - 12 Mar 2004 02:37 GMT
hi ben - since you didn't give any stats on your pca as to psa, gleason
score or stage, i will address what you are describing.

i use to do the same thing - only it was when i was 21.  i learned this
while being overseas in the far east.  

still came down with prostate cancer at the age of 56.  

my take on what you said is pretty simple.  if you think it will plow
your garden, that's fine.  no argument here.  

but i wish to remind you are a song by peter, paul and mary about the
wheel of life.  the end of the song goes like this.

"win or lose,  
you must choose,
and if you lose,
you only pay with your life.

prostate treatments are known to work.  mediation helps the mind, the
soul, but is not 100% proof on the cancer as the cancer treatments are.

that's all,  

keep us posted is you wish.  martin howard was a quaker and a good man.
he didn't believe in treatments either and for two years used various
methods of treatment and said his psa didn't climb anymore.  then in
november, said, they went up a little bit and on dec 12th died.  

he's one that believed that thought would cure him.  

i really hope you make it.  

please post your thoughts and as you said,  it was going to sound like a
crackpot.  well, i don't think it's crackpot, but misguided into
thinking something's happening when it's not.  do yourself a favor and
stay in touch with the medical side even if you don't think they can't
help.  
at least you will know what's going to happen.

and if you do want to know how the disease is going to kill you, please
send me a private email.  i've walked the whole distance all the way
through to the bitter end with my dad and he died FROM prostate cancer.
i've already had it, so i feel it is something i know a lot about.

take care,

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Ben - 12 Mar 2004 03:47 GMT
Thanks for that. What I did not explain in my post was that I have every
intention of being treated. I am waiting for my appointment at a cancer
hospital. I just like to stir the pot once in a while.I will probably
post the details you mentioned  as soon as they become avaliable. I know
the psa was over forty the first time and thirty eight the second. I was
told the cancer is in the early stages but they didn't give me any numbers.

Thanks again for writing

Ben

>hi ben - since you didn't give any stats on your pca as to psa, gleason
>score or stage, i will address what you are describing.
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>knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
c palmer - 12 Mar 2004 06:45 GMT
ben - over 40 the first time and 38 the second, and in the early stages?
who are they kidding?  no puns intended.  what is the free psa score?
did they run bone scans?  and what is the gleason?  psa?  the staging?

stirring the pot or not,  that part i don't mind and sometimes it helps
to think outside the box.  but these numbers - if the rest of the stats
support them - not of BPH or prostatisis - but of prostate cancer are
going to have to be dealt with an aggressive treatment.

you really do need to insist that they give you the above information in
order to make an informed decision about your treatment.

i'm hoping you will be told of good information that makes them think
you are in the early stage.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
 
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