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Pomegrantes treatment prostate cancer
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onerichi@earthlink.net - 24 Sep 2006 16:44 GMT http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051002120002.htm Can Pomegranates Prevent Prostate Cancer? A New Study Offers Promise MADISON - The juice of the pomegranate, say researchers at Universityof Wisconsin Medical School, shows major promise to combat prostatecancer - the most common invasive cancer and the second-leading causeof cancer death in American men....
They found a"dose-dependent" effect - in other words, the higher the dose of pomegranate extract the cells received, the more cells died.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060702084515.htm Pomegranate Juice Helps Keep PSA Levels Stable In Men With Prostate Cancer Drinking an eight ounce glass of pomegranate juice daily increased by nearly four times the period during which PSA levels in men treated for prostate cancer remained stable, a three-year UCLA study has found.
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/124/115697
Pomegranate Slows Prostate Cancer
July 5, 2006 -- A glass of pomegranate juice a day may keep prostate cancerprostate cancer recurrence away, UCLA researchers report.
philget - 04 Oct 2006 14:03 GMT Re pomegranate juice: I have a unique perspective on pomegranate juice and prostate cancer. I started drinking 8 oz a day 3 years ago, for my heart, after cardiac bypass surgery. 6 months ago my PSA went up to 2.9, just enough to call for a biopsy. I had a fairly large tumor, much larger than one would have thought given my PSA. They think it may have gotten outside the capsule. I'm still drinking the pomegranate juice - but I think we need to consider the possibility that lowering PSA and inhibiting tumor growth may not go together. I can't prove anything, but whatever kept my PSA low did not do me any favors.
ron - 04 Oct 2006 15:57 GMT philget wrote...snip...
> 6 months ago my PSA went up to > 2.9, just enough to call for a biopsy. I had a fairly large tumor, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > can't prove anything, but whatever kept my PSA low did not do me any > favors. Absolutely, tumor volume is not the only factor that determines PSA levels. There are several steps involved in the production of PSA. Consumption of materials that affect any of these steps (for example causing a protein or enzyme involved in PSA production to be over / under expressed) or that affect the permeability of organs could lead to an increase or decrease in PSA levels measured in the blood stream. This has been demonstrated in the literature.
BTW, it is also well documented that higher grade tumors produce less PSA, so low PSA levels do not always insure a healthy prostate...Best wishes and good health, ron
pc55 - 05 Oct 2006 16:43 GMT > ... I think we need to consider the possibility that lowering PSA and inhibiting tumor > growth may not go together. The Gleason Score recognizes that PC cell progression is not synchronized. There is some degree of variation in the loss of cellular differentiation. It is possible that pomegranate juice [PJ] is very effective below a certain Gleason Number (not Score!), say 4, but less effective for higher numbers. If someone has a Gleason Score of 3+4, PJ might wipe out the predominant 3 cells, but only some of the 4's. The PSA would go down, as a result of the reduction in tumor mass, but the overall effect would be to select for the higher grade cancer.
A similar effect was found in the 5alpha-reductase inhibitor study. The level of diagnosed PC was much lower than in controls, but there was a greater degree of advanced cancer in the treated group.
One can argue that a PJ regimen is beneficial to the majority, but since it can lower PSA, a new baseline reading should be taken after PJ has had a chance to work. Any subsequent PSA increase should be viewed with suspicion (even if the PSA is very low).
The Pantuck study would suggest that PJ is of benefit even at high Gleason Numbers. Anything that increases PSA doubling times must be good. With possibly invasive cancer, a multi-pronged defense is called for & I do not rely on PJ alone. Incidentally, I prefer a combination of CardioGranate, EstroGranate & the seed oil, since who needs all that sugar?
ron - 05 Oct 2006 17:59 GMT pc55 wrote...snip...
> A similar effect was found in the 5alpha-reductase inhibitor study. > The level of diagnosed PC was much lower than in controls, but there > was a greater degree of advanced cancer in the treated group. Many of the results of the PCPT study are still being debated; further studies have been initiated. For example, as you point out, more high-grade (GS=7-10) tumors were detected in the finasteride arm (6.4%) as compared to the placebo arm (5.1%). However, whether this was due to finasteride administration or various study biases is unclear at present. For example, the finasteride arm had smaller prostate volumes than the placebo arm at the end of the study, however, the same number of end-of-study biopsy samples were taken from both study arms. If small amounts of high-grade PCa were present in all men, they would be more likely to be detected in the arm with the smaller prostates (detection bias)...Best wishes and good health, ron
pc55 - 06 Oct 2006 17:16 GMT > Many of the results of the PCPT study are still being debated; further > studies have been initiated. For example, as you point out, more [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > more likely to be detected in the arm with the smaller prostates > (detection bias)...Best wishes and good health, ron Hi Ron,
Yes, I should not have overstated the case, in the absence of a follow-up study.
The smaller prostate volumes were presumably largely a result of BPH control, rather than smaller tumors? So, if PC was unaffected by Finasteride, they would have found more positive samples in the smaller prostates? But the study found less. And, in the positive samples, the tendency was slightly towards higher grade.
I still favor the view that Finasteride, by killing off low-Gleason cells, gave a growth advantage to higher grade cancer. Another interpretation is that the higher grade cells may not have increased (& may even have decreased), but that the Gleason Score simply increased in the absence of lower-grade cells.
Regardless, it's just an opinion.
Regards, -Patrick
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