> >>>With news reports out that the Journal of the National Cancer Institute
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> Well there is the Swedish study of Holmberg, et. al. But I agree that
> it may not be applicable to the US context.
I read that too. Clinical studies often do not pan out in the larger
population with average-style medicine. But even then, the PIVOT studies
from the USA are not out yet and have (so far) nothing to report. But the
Swedish study suggests that after more than 10 years a 3% difference in
mortality...very little.
> > (Keep in mind that for truly low risk prostate cancer
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> How did you get the article? I would like to see the figures.
We have full rights to local libraries at with the Triangle interlibrary
system.
> According to experts like Walsh and Scardino, such patients should not
> ordinarily be treated, and the urological society's guidelines clearly
> don't encourage it.
Usually everyone is treated, on the average. The article shows a strong
cultural bias towards treatment under all circumstances. Actually it is
intereting reading.
In particular, aggressive treatment to cure such
> cancers should be reserved for men with at least a 10 year life
> expectancy. Scardino does say that men with more aggressive tumors
> should probbly be treated even if their life expectancy is about 5
> years, but that is another matter.
There is a cite in the article that those with the most aggressive tumors
get more benefit, maybe. If you read all the cites, you might as well take
out a seat at a medical library and spend a few days.
I think the issue there is
> maintaining quality of life, not necessarily expecting a cure.
You really should read the article. I checked with a friend at Duke who
does such research tonight and he told me that some of the details of
government-funded research and where it is located. Original unedited
manuscripts are not considered copyrighted and MUST be placed on an
open-source site. I don't know about this article. What with .pdf files
these days, even if a medical library stops paying fees, they lose access.
In the old days, the old journals did not disappear from the shelves if a
new subscription was not entered. Public libraries will disappear under the
new systems unless great care is taken. In the meantime, the web site
charges $28 to view the article for which the authors receive nothing and
the publisher gets it all, and government pays for the research. It is a
very BAD system. There are open access journals now, about 2,000 of them,
and it may increase in the future. Sweden has the DOAJ and I of course am a
member of that and even EBSCO has picked us up. But of course we are not
medical.....