I was told in another forum that PVP was not the best choice for my
117 gram prostate. That the best solution was an open prostatectomy
was best. I think this person was an MD.
Here was the ratioanle:
1) The PVP may work but it will take a long time. The longer the scope
is in the greater the risk of stricture. The best solution for a 117
gram gland is open prostatectomy. That way the entire adenoma is
removed. Better result and very reproducible. Minimally invasive
therapy is best for smaller glands.
Any comments out there?
Dan
Patrick - 16 Aug 2003 03:26 GMT
Dan,
An open prostatectomy is major surgury with major risk factors.
It is beyond comprehension why anyone would consider an open prostatectomy
when PVP is available.
Note that 117 gram prostate is now routine with PVP especially for doctors
like Lin in Florida and Te in New York.
Patrick
> I was told in another forum that PVP was not the best choice for my
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Dan - 16 Aug 2003 13:08 GMT
Patrick,
I wrote back to the Doc. He said he thinks it is safe for large
glands, but it just takes a long time in the OR.....and that long term
results with PVP are not really available. He guessed that another
procedure would be needed in a few years, because the residual tissue
will grow back.
He also said most of the info on PVP is commercially induced. The
channel created by a PVP will never match that of an open
prostatectomy, but it may be enough to get by for now.
He thought PVP is a viable option....but it also might take two trips
to the OR to complete.
This gets a little confusing. I really do not want any long term
complications from whatever procedure I have done.
I am also a little concerned about his comment that "most of the info
on PVP is commercially induced". My own Uro said that people should
be carefull to avoid all the commercial hype out there when new
procedures come out.
Dan
> Dan,
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Patrick - 16 Aug 2003 13:59 GMT
Dan,
Before electing to go for an open prosectomy, do yourself a favor and talk
to a doctor that does PVPs.
The doctor you are talking with now is completely misinformed and quite
ancient in his opinions.
Do you realize what an open prosectomy entails? They cut into your abdomen,
open up the prostrate, core the prostrate out with a scalpel and then sew
you up together again. This is major surgery! Six weeks recovery minimum.
With a PVP, you are out of the hospital the same day, usually without a
catather. Within a few days you resume all normal activities. The
documented results are excellent compared to TURP and other minimally
invasive techniques.
There is absolutely no comparison between an open prosectomy and PVP. If
PVP is an option, do yourself a big favor and consider it first before
submitting yourself to the last resort: open prosectomy.
Patrick
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linkman234 - 16 Aug 2003 21:21 GMT
> I was told in another forum that PVP was not the best choice for my
> 117 gram prostate. That the best solution was an open prostatectomy
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> Dan
Your endo is trying to scare you stupid into having a radical proceedure
thats only ever done for Cancer and is failing to tell you that
incontinance, impotence is highly likely and even death could result
If your PSA is low then 117gm prostrate is a breeze for PVP
The uro in Londo who did my 70 gm one by PVP 3 weeks ago would have plenty
to say on the subject .......my stream was fantastic immediatly , i have had
no problems , just have to pinch myself to remember I even had an op
........I am 100% functioning !!
2 other endos insisted TURP was the gold standard but sure as hell i would
not be fit and well by now after one of them never mind having to have a
catheter etc
If i need another PVP in 5 or 10 years so what its a simple outpatient
proceedure with NONE of the problems TURP or open prostatectomy could create
David DeBar - 18 Aug 2003 15:51 GMT
Dan,
Dr. Nseyo told me the same thing that your un-named uro told you. He told
me this after he had already started to do a PVP and decided that my
prostate was much bigger then the 150 grams that they expected. During the
operation he informed me that my prostate is too big for him to perform a
PVP on. He told me that he was going to end the surgery now and that I
should consider and open Prostatectomy. He described it to me by telling me
that they would cut me from navel to pelvis, peel open the prostate like
removing the skin from an orange and remove the tissue inside. They would
then sew it back together, put a tap under my navel that I could use to
urinate while the prostate healed within me. Later they would reattach the
prostate. The only down side was risk of, impotence, incontinence and
possible death. Call me a silly whip, but I respectfully declined that
offer. I found another Urologist by the name of Dr. Lin in Florida. I took
Proscar for three months prior to the PVP surgery that I had done at the end
of July. After about three months on Proscar my erections waned and my tits
became sensitive. I did manage to have sex the night before the day of the
operation. I continued to take the Proscar for two weeks after the PVP. I
stopped experiencing my normal morning erections. I stopped taking Proscar
just two days ago and the "feelings" and stiffness is starting to stir
again. I'll give it a functionality test this Friday. I was told not to
have sex for three weeks after the surgery.
I do have a good hard stream now and can completely empty my blatter. I was
not this way prior to the surgery. The post surgery results are not pain
free. I still pee frequently. My blood pressure has dropped and a look
forward to a healthy life in a short time.
There are two problems that surgeons have with very large prostates:
1) It takes a long time to remove all that tissue using a LASER.
2) A large prostate bleeds a lot obstructing the surgeons view. Unless he
is very experienced and able to proceed by "feel" the operation becomes
unmanageable.
Find a very experienced doctor like doctor Lin.
Good luck,
Dave
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Dan - 20 Aug 2003 01:19 GMT
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Jack,
Thanks for the info. I agree with you completely on the open
Prostatectomy subject..you'd have to be nuts to subject yourself to
that much risk.
Your note on bleeding was the first time I hear of this. Most posts
say it does not. I will be interested to hear how your frequency urge
works out over time. Hopefully, it will go away or diminish.
What kind of pain did you experience? What did you take for it? How
long did it last?
Dan
Bob R - 23 Aug 2003 18:04 GMT
Dan, contact Dr. Lin in St. Augustine. He does PVP for large
prostrates with apparently good results. Mine was not so large, about
80 grams, but I had a VERY successful and happy rpocedure. Am doing
great some 4 weeks later.
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Derry Argue - 23 Aug 2003 22:13 GMT
> Dan, contact Dr. Lin in St. Augustine. He does PVP for large
> prostrates with apparently good results. Mine was not so large, about
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>> Dan
Dan,
When I went to see Muir in London (UK) I specifically asked him about large
prostates as the subject had come up on this group. He said the largest he
had done with PVP was 250 grams. I asked if there were any problems. His
reply was that there were none, apart from the operation being very very
boring!! (In other words, it took a long time to do). So large prostates do
not seem to be a problem with PVP.
Derry
Dan - 24 Aug 2003 01:43 GMT
> > Dan, contact Dr. Lin in St. Augustine. He does PVP for large
> > prostrates with apparently good results. Mine was not so large, about
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> Derry
Thanks. As it turns out I did write some emails to Dr Lin. I was
very impressed that he actually took the time to email me back with
some thoughtful answers. As you can imagine, he said HoLEP was a very
invasive and risky surgery. Still recommends PVP.
Any Doctor who takes the time to answer folks back who are not their
patients, must be a good urologist.
Thanks, Dan
bnd777 - 24 Aug 2003 10:41 GMT
> > > Dan, contact Dr. Lin in St. Augustine. He does PVP for large
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> Thanks, Dan
Same goes for Gordon Muir at Kings College Hosp in London his response to
patients is excellent sure beats the other 2 Uros I saw .........One of them
is a very big noise in the Uro field but his patient attitude was deplorable