Here's another from their January '04 web-site that is, to be politie,
questionable:
"Some men may experience more severe symptoms that can be easily treated by
your doctor"
This was amended back in the spring to read: "Some men may experience more
severe symptoms that can be treated by your doctor." Note that the word
"easily" was removed. "treated" does not necessarily mean treated
successfully.
When I read the "easily treated by your doctor" back a year ago I was
convinced that any post-surgical problems were essentiall non-problematic
and alleviated with little trouble.
This was hardly the case for me, and apparently many others who have
contributed to this NG. Accunpuncture saved me from 2 months of miserable
symptoms, Post-PVP surgery. There was nothing 'easy' about it.
Marcus
> Patrick
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TAP - 12 Sep 2004 05:06 GMT
Marcus,
That is how you made your decision to have a PVP?
based on that quote in the Laserscope website?
It wasn't that you had a blockage that had to be removed?
It wasn't because you had a choice between:
a) continuing without any surgury
b) having a TURP
c) having something else like a TUMT or TUNA.
Did you go to your doctor and say, "I want a PVP"
or did your doctor evalute you and recommend that you have a blockage remove
with a PVP?
I am wondering, did your doctor gaurantee that you "will have no problems
after a PVP? or did he make you sign a bunch of papers that said that you
understood the risks associated with surgury etc?
I am sorry that the PVP has worked out for you as you had hoped but it is
really a stretch to say that that is Laserscope's fault.
Patrick
> Here's another from their January '04 web-site that is, to be politie,
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Dean,
The Laserscope website never made such claims. It has never gone into
anything about how a patient would be after a PVP, except that a PVP will
open a channel less tramatically than a TURP.
I can ask Laserscope if they stated this on their website.
Note that I, along with many other people on this newsgroup, along many
other patients in testimonial letters and personal quotes about their
Laserscope PVP have said that they have been able to sleep through the night
six weeks or so after a PVP. I know that I made that statement about my
post-PVP many times.
But that is far from Laserscope going on record saying that anybody or even
most people having a PVP will "sleep through the night 6 weeks after a PVP."
We all know that surely depends on the condition of the bladder six weeks
after a PVP. Some men with badly damage baldders will never get to that
level of improvement.
One thing I know is that Laserscope went to great lengths in accepting only
those men in their trial (the first 146 men in the 80Watt trial) who would
benefit the most from the procedure. So that is why these men, as a group,
had such wonderful results, i.e. they for the most part, presented with
terrible BPH conditions. Large median lobes, high residual, large prostates
pushing into the bladder, failure with medications and TUMTs, etc. But all
of these men had fully functioning bladders so the improvements from the PVP
procedure was dramatic.
Like I have said for several years now, the real benefit of PVP is when it
is done early before the bladder is damaged. When it is done early, the
operation is simple, recovery is fast and complete.
If PVP was available, I would have had mine about 3 to 5 years before I had
to have it in desparation.
Patrick
> Patrick
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Marcus - 12 Sep 2004 06:28 GMT
Patrick,
Try and differentiate between choosing to have the procedere and having
realistic expectations about the possible problems in recovery. For
instance, during my extremely difficult recovery I was devastated by the
continued urgeny, frequency and pain. I could barely function. I consulted
another urologist, one who didn't perform the surgery. Here are his words:
"I wouldn't be too concerned because prostate surgery is still prostate
surgery and even with PVP it can take 3 months to recover from the worst of
it."
The jist of it is: Had that kind of forthright honesty been presented on
Laserscope's Web-Site, I would have dealt with the whole thing with more
patience and less devastating sense of being chronically miserable from the
post-surgical issues.
Had I known that it might take 3 months to get over the "worst of it" I may
very well have gone ahead with the surgery anyway...BUT I WOULD HAVE DEALT
WITH THE CRISIS WITH LESS, TENSION AND DESPAIR! It is my perception that
Laserscope was too busy selling the product to really give much attention to
those of us who didn't have the kind of easy recovery that you have
celebrated. Perhaps this NG is contributing to Laserscope's, ongoing
education.
Marcus
> Dean,
> The Laserscope website never made such claims. It has never gone into
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Dean - 12 Sep 2004 13:37 GMT
Patrick,
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say about the condition
of the bladder allowing you to sleep all night, it seems as if they
conveniently left that out but if you can ask them about the statement made
the summer of 2003 on their website about sleeping all night after six weeks
please do that for me and the rest of the newsgroup. I'm sure if they are as
honest as you believe them to be they will admit to it. I do not have this
statement on their website mixed up with your comments on your previous
posts which I read with great interest.
Respectfully Dean,
> Dean,
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