It has been awhile since I have posted to this group although I didn't get
the quick fix promised by Laserscope. I am now ten and one half months post
PVP and have just recently started sleeping threw the night without having
to get up to urinate, its been many years since I've had that luxury ,how
wonderful it is !!! I didn't think it would ever happen again. Laserscope
stated in their advertising in the summer of 2003 that you would be able to
sleep threw the night after 6 weeks.
So I say to those who hasn't had a quick recovery, that although
recovery for some of us is slow there is a light at the end of the tunnel so
be patient and your time will come.
I'm thankful for Laserscope, PVP and this newsgroup for PVP seems as if it
is the best option for most of us and I'm praying that your outcome will be
great but it might take longer than expected. Dean,
greg@invalid.com - 29 Aug 2004 22:50 GMT
>It has been awhile since I have posted to this group although I didn't get
>the quick fix promised by Laserscope.
Do you mean
ALTHOUGH you didn't get the quick fix promised by Laserscope
or do you mean
BECAUSE you didn't get the quick fix promised by Laserscope ?
> I am now ten and one half months post
>PVP and have just recently started sleeping threw the night without having
>to get up to urinate, its been many years since I've had that luxury ,how
>wonderful it is !!! I didn't think it would ever happen again. Laserscope
>stated in their advertising in the summer of 2003 that you would be able to
>sleep threw the night after 6 weeks.
SNIP
>I'm thankful for Laserscope, PVP and this newsgroup for PVP seems as if it
>is the best option for most of us
How can you justify this absurd statement ?
Have you an accurate and detailed knowledge of all of 'us' ?
Have you considered the possibilty that if you had had a traditional
TURP then you would have reached your present happy condition in a
small fraction of the time ?
Regards
Dean - 30 Aug 2004 15:19 GMT
Hi Greg,
I don't think that the questions you put fourth deserves an answer. I
have read several of your posts and you come across to me as an arrogant
angry person who needs to get their self straighten out. Hopefully this is a
false impression. The NG is a discussion group not a place for anger.
Dean,
> >It has been awhile since I have posted to this group although I didn't get
> >the quick fix promised by Laserscope.
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>
> Regards
Marcus - 30 Aug 2004 04:25 GMT
The apt term here is: "Significant Monority." A significant minority of PVP
patients will take significantly longer to recover from the side effects of
the surgery than Laserscope suggests or describes. Expecting a short
recovery time can exacerbate the adjustment to that reality. Honesty is
often the best medicine.
Marcus
> It has been awhile since I have posted to this group although I didn't get
> the quick fix promised by Laserscope. I am now ten and one half months post
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> is the best option for most of us and I'm praying that your outcome will be
> great but it might take longer than expected. Dean,
Jim W. - 30 Aug 2004 12:06 GMT
Do you think "recovery from side effects" is the correct description? I
think it is more like "realization of symptom relief". From what I've heard
here and experienced myself PVP patients almost always get a much improved
flow rate. What takes time is for the bladder to recover its ability to
hold larger amounts with less urgency. Jim W.
> The apt term here is: "Significant Monority." A significant minority of PVP
> patients will take significantly longer to recover from the side effects of
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> be
> > great but it might take longer than expected. Dean,
Dean - 30 Aug 2004 15:30 GMT
Hi Jim,
You are right on. My bladder has improved just recently and I hope for
more improvement in the future also retro which I've had from the beginning
seems to be reversing itself.
Dean,
> Do you think "recovery from side effects" is the correct description? I
> think it is more like "realization of symptom relief". From what I've heard
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> > be
> > > great but it might take longer than expected. Dean,
george - 30 Aug 2004 23:35 GMT
Jim, ditto for me.
george
> Do you think "recovery from side effects" is the correct description? I
> think it is more like "realization of symptom relief". From what I've heard
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> > be
> > > great but it might take longer than expected. Dean,
Dean - 30 Aug 2004 15:23 GMT
Hi Marcus,
" No truer words have ever been spoken"
Dean,
> The apt term here is: "Significant Monority." A significant minority of PVP
> patients will take significantly longer to recover from the side effects of
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> be
> > great but it might take longer than expected. Dean,
Michael Balarama - 30 Aug 2004 18:05 GMT
good for you-what is your age...where and who did it..
thanks
Michael
> It has been awhile since I have posted to this group although I didn't get
> the quick fix promised by Laserscope. I am now ten and one half months post
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> is the best option for most of us and I'm praying that your outcome will be
> great but it might take longer than expected. Dean,
Dean - 30 Aug 2004 22:33 GMT
Hi Michael,
My age is 67, PVP was done at " Our Lady of Bellefonte Hospital one day
surgery Center" Ashland Kentucky. I was there at 7 in the morning and
walked out at noon, never had a catheter in me was able to urinate the first
time. Surgery was done by Doctor Stephen L. Edge. Dean,
> good for you-what is your age...where and who did it..
> thanks
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> be
> > great but it might take longer than expected. Dean,
Rob Marks - 06 Sep 2004 06:52 GMT
Jim W. hits the nail on the head when he says, "What takes time is for
the bladder to recover its ability to hold larger amounts with less
urgency."
Yes, it seems that almost everyone posting here has immediately
experienced an improved flow rate following PVP surgery. However,
that which yet remains unclear to me is the issue cited by Jim. My
problem is frequency and urgency and I've read mixed reviews. Some
individuals report no improvement in this area while others such as
Dean report major improvement over time.
Any additional information and/or first-hand experiendes focusing on
this issue would be most enlightening for those of us still on the
fence.
Lee M. - 06 Sep 2004 18:40 GMT
Do you know for sure that your frequency and urgency are due to BPH? After
a thorough exam, my uro feels my problem is not my prostate but rather
overactive bladder. He had me try Detrol first (didn't help) and now
Ditropan (helping somewhat). He said he didn't think PVP would help me.
> Jim W. hits the nail on the head when he says, "What takes time is for
> the bladder to recover its ability to hold larger amounts with less
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> this issue would be most enlightening for those of us still on the
> fence.
Jim W. - 07 Sep 2004 00:45 GMT
Yes but for those of us with restricted flow those medications would shut us
down - so PVP is a prerequisite for using them. Jim W.
> Do you know for sure that your frequency and urgency are due to BPH? After
> a thorough exam, my uro feels my problem is not my prostate but rather
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> > this issue would be most enlightening for those of us still on the
> > fence.
Al - 07 Sep 2004 02:56 GMT
Rob,
Before PVP I had frequent urgency (several times a day), weak flow -
sometimes no more than a 4 minute dribble, often had to return in 10 min
to dribble a little more, rushed to the toilet many times feeling as
though I was one second from wetting myself only to stand and wait for
very little to happen.
PVP Dec 16, 2003 (Dr Te). Immediate fire hose flow. At first I had the
same urgency but with one big difference - when I got to the toilet
there was no waiting, just instant relief. It was a little scary
knowing that the urgency was more real then in the past. I had gotten
used to the fact that no matter how it felt I probably couldn't have wet
myself - and now I knew I could.
My bladder apparently responded well. Within a fairly short time I
could "hold it" when I felt the urgency. I can now hold as long as I
want and empty out 400 - 500 cc in 10 - 15 seconds.
The key to success is the Dr you choose. Once they do urodynamic
testing, ultra sound, sonogram, and scope they should be able to
determine the status of your total condition and probability of success.
If you don't get good vibes at this point, or if your guy is willing
to operate (PVP or otherwise) without doing the testing, think hard
about it.
Al
> Jim W. hits the nail on the head when he says, "What takes time is for
> the bladder to recover its ability to hold larger amounts with less
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> this issue would be most enlightening for those of us still on the
> fence.