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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / June 2004chinese herbs
There was some controversy on this site a few years back about postings from one "Ron" who reported dramatic improvements in his symptoms from the use of Chinese herbs from Herbs of China for his bph/prostatitis.He was denounced as a fraud, and the Chinese customer contact person for Herbs of China - Jim, was also accused of being a crook. I didn't quite buy the criticism as it seemed to me that Ron and Jim were probably genuine.After a few months of hysterical abuse they both quietly withdrew. Although the herbs/suppositories are expensive, I ordered them and have gone from eight+ urinations each evening to one. The effect was immediate, and did not produce any of the aggravation of my symptoms I associated with most other, particularly pharmaceutical, "remedies". These herbs are mild and probably safe, as there appears to be a genuine commitment to quality control and testing. I will report back on my progress in a month or so. So far, after four days, I am delighted. I have been through a nightmare for the past six years and cannot quite believe that it may be coming to an end. If anyone wants to try them, the Company is called Herbs of China 2000, and seems to be based in China. Go to their website, click on prostate illnesses, complete the questionaire, and a specifically formulated package willl arrive. Hi Paul, Thanks for sharing this. I am 46. I've been trying herbal/natural remedies, as surgery seems too drastic, with severe symptoms ignored for 3-4 years, and then dignosed as "BPH" about 4 months ago. Xatral gave me low BP, and once fainted in the loo, curshing the bathroom scales & neary breaking my bum. Beta-Sito seemed to make no difference after 2 months. Went on to an Indian ayurvedic pill that made a big difference, from 3 a night down to 0-1 a night, no apparent side effects after 1.5 months. I haven't gone for a uroflo test since, but feel that I'm voiding much better in general. The flow is nowhere like the forceful stream of years ago, but now I go and "drop" the piss without too much struggle and wait, the pain is down as well. I would be interested in hearing more about your exp with the chinese herbs after longer use, wrt flow etc.. Since the ayurvedic stuff seem to work ok for me, I am not immediately moved to try the chinese one. It's much more expensive than the ayurveda one. But I am ever looking to find an alternative that may work better. Cheers Rama > There was some controversy on this site a few years back about > postings from one "Ron" who reported dramatic improvements in his [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > prostate illnesses, complete the questionaire, and a specifically > formulated package willl arrive. Hi Rama and group, I've been having an outside-of-newsgroup with Ramakant Duggal about herbal remedies. As he says, this newsgroup seems to emphasize surgery. But I've decided to take the discussion back to the newsgroup. Has anyone ever tried himplasia also known as prostane? The results of some clinical trials is impressive. Linked to from this page: http://www.himalayahealthcare.com/products/himplasia.htm And Rama says the product is dirt-cheap, though no prices are listed on the site. I'm extremely encouraged by my own situation. As I've described in previous posts, I've focused on two courses of action: > Nature's Life 800 Prostate Support http://www.affordablenatureslife.com/658.html > Bladder re-training (I'm pretty much re-trained now!) The combined effect is working wonders. Except for having a modest "drop-down" flow (though an easy and reliable one) I no longer have any need to consider PVP at this time. Usually no trips at night, daytime intervals of 2 to 5 hours. Feeling pretty normal and comfortable! I ran out of the supplements several days ago, and a day or two later, I starting having nighttime urgency again. Hard to believe it's only a placebo effect. This has happened before. And I've been doing so well lately, I didn't think one day off the pills would have an effect. Til I found myself getting up in the middle of the night. So, at least for the moment, I'm sold on herbs. My pills will cost me more than $500 over the course of the year, however. Cheaper than surgery, but I'm wondering if I can do even better, so I'm asking if anyone has tried the evidently cheaper supplements I've linked to. Bruce > Hi Paul, > Thanks for sharing this. I am 46. I've been trying herbal/natural [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> prostate illnesses, complete the questionaire, and a specifically >> formulated package willl arrive. It isn't hard to notice the predominance of surgical topics in this group. One wonders why ? Perhaps because everyone here has 'been there, done that' and can't be bothered anymore ? Or those who are on herbal/natural remedies can't be bothered posting their observations more often ? Most of the guys writing here seem to have undertaken surgery of are planning to. I wonder why. Perhaps because change of diet etc. proved too hard (as it is for me, for now, I'm trying). I know a couple of old guys (70+) who've survived without surgery for 15-20 years, still going ok on herbs. These guys are retired Indian friends of my father's and aren't net-savvy. I find that the herbs I tried so far are inefective without a change in diet and lifestyle, e.g., abstain from stimulant intake (coke, coffe really chokes up my flow), spicy food (don't I love that one !), some particular varieties of food, e.g., japanese, chinese. I suspect they put some stimulant ingredients in some of the japanese & chinese dishes served in restaurants. I am experimenting with diet currently. Since it's slow excluding things from your diets and waiting to see the effect, it will be a while b4 I can post my observations. I do have a rough plan of how to go about this. Has anyone reading this group have views, observations to share on this ? I am definitely trying to stir up a good discussion on this based on peoples' obervations, hoping to learn a few things ... Cheers Rama > Hi Rama and group, > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > >> prostate illnesses, complete the questionaire, and a specifically > >> formulated package willl arrive. When the VA doc told me to get a FREE, simple, easy, routine operation (TURP), I decided to take my prostate's call for help seriously and go for something to help it - not permanently damage it, so I started with Jason Winters tea and some other herbs and began looking in many books and web sites for solutions way better than the stuff VA had me on which did nothing to address the underlying cause of the gland's distress. I stopped taking VA's meds (Flowmax) entirely in favor of whatever natural remedy I can find or afford. When you start reading the Natural guys, you see all kinds of better alternatives than heavy prescription drugs that don't acctually fix the hidden problems and/or the final surgical solution! As for myself, since I started working on the deep underlying issues which the gland is trying so desparately to tell me about, I'm feeling and doing much better and even if my flow is still slow, I know I'm on the right track with diet, herbs/supplements and the biggest issue of all: MY ATTITUDE and emotional states. You'd be surprised how much what you think and feel affects your body in terms of hidden, subtle and not so sublte stress. I bet your doctor never mentioned the emotional component of your condition! All I can say is if you look around on the web, book stores, healthfood stores, etc., you're bound to find things much kinder to your gland and mind than just about anything the standard, conventional medical community will or can offer you - AND WAY CHEAPER!!!! good luck, jim > It isn't hard to notice the predominance of surgical topics in this > group. One wonders why ? Perhaps because everyone here has 'been [quoted text clipped - 110 lines] > > >> prostate illnesses, complete the questionaire, and a specifically > > >> formulated package willl arrive. > When the VA doc told me to get a FREE, simple, easy, routine operation > (TURP), I decided to take my prostate's call for help seriously and go [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] > > > >> prostate illnesses, complete the questionaire, and a specifically > > > >> formulated package willl arrive. Guys, There are many ways to manage BPH: meds, surgery, herbs, meditation, hot baths, life style, etc. Understand that you are risking the total inability to urinate, i.e. obstruction, which many of us on this board have experienced. It is a medical emergency which requires immediate, aggressive treatment, usually catheterization. It is a life threatening condition, and I pray that you will not have to experience it, but if you do, you will quickly realize that the efficacy of your management technique is vitally important. Good luck to all. Ironman I have been using saw palmetto for about ten years. I am seventy one years old,and have no problems with the Saw Palmetto. I am not trying to avoid surgery, I am just happy with what I have. Best Wishes, John M Hansen Hi John, I gave up on Beta-sitosterol after 2 months, BS is the main active ingredient in SP of benefit (my understanding from readings). But recently I read somewhere that pure BS doesn't work same as some specific combinations. The reason BS didn't do anything for me could also be my specific problem - bladder neck. I am wondering about the severity of your problem before, the exact brand or mix of SP etc. you've been using and how effective it's been for you, if that's ok with you. Cheers Rama > I have been using saw palmetto for about ten years. I am seventy one > years old,and have no problems with the Saw Palmetto. I am not trying to > avoid surgery, I am just happy with what I have. > Best Wishes, > John M Hansen > Hi John, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cheers > Rama Rama - I have used a variety of brands of Saw palmetto, but always the herb, not any concentrate or formulation. I have bph, an enlarged prostate, and have to piss about every two hours on the average. I just had a prostate probe - Biopsy - to find out if I have cancer, as my psa was 9+ The biopsy came out benign. Best Wishes John > > I have been using saw palmetto for about ten years. I am seventy one > > years old,and have no problems with the Saw Palmetto. I am not trying to > > avoid surgery, I am just happy with what I have. > > Best Wishes, > > John M Hansen Jim, You touched a valid topic. The urologist did point out very briefly that stress will make the gland behave worse, I find it does get much worse after a bad day at work. I've been thru 2 divorces, and much emotional upheaval that goes with it. the uro also did think that my problem may have been caused by such issues leading to pelvic floor muscle tightening etc. He refuses to take herbals & supplements seriously. According to him, the herbals only relieve the symptoms, not the cause. Surely, if something improves the flow with no side effects, it is helping clear up the clogging due to BPH. I am definitely going with the herbal solutions for now. What about weather ? Confinement to very cold (a/c) spaces also seems to make it worse for me. I am currently working in Singapore, very warm and humid. Wondering if a return to my home town Melbourne (generally cold) will make life hell for me. When I came to Singapore 3 yrs ago, I had slight symptoms, so I don't know what effect cold climate has on BPH. Any comments from anyone with experience in above, much appreciated. Cheers Rama > When the VA doc told me to get a FREE, simple, easy, routine operation > (TURP), I decided to take my prostate's call for help seriously and go [quoted text clipped - 136 lines] > > > >> prostate illnesses, complete the questionaire, and a specifically > > > >> formulated package willl arrive. Rama, here's some more leads that might be useful to you or others: https://sitosterol-saw-palmetto-prostatitis-treatment.com/index.html http://www.heall.com/contactus/clapp.html http://www.bookfinder.us/review0/1402855060.html http://www.cultivating-prostate-health.com/index.html good luck....jim > Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 162 lines] > > > > >> prostate illnesses, complete the questionaire, and a specifically > > > > >> formulated package willl arrive. Rama - Can you provide some info on where you obtained the "Indian ayurvedic pill" ??? What is it called ? Where to find ? How much ? thanks DHB ----------------------------------------------------------- From: Ramakant Duggal (rama_duggal@hotmail.com) Subject: Re: chinese herbs View this article only Newsgroups: sci.med.prostate.bph Date: 2004-04-29 18:40:51 PST Hi Paul, Thanks for sharing this. I am 46. I've been trying herbal/natural remedies, as surgery seems too drastic, with severe symptoms ignored for 3-4 years, and then dignosed as "BPH" about 4 months ago. Xatral gave me low BP, and once fainted in the loo, curshing the bathroom scales & neary breaking my bum. Beta-Sito seemed to make no difference after 2 months. Went on to an Indian ayurvedic pill that made a big difference, from 3 a night down to 0-1 a night, no apparent side effects after 1.5 months. I haven't gone for a uroflo test since, but feel that I'm voiding much better in general. The flow is nowhere like the forceful stream of years ago, but now I go and "drop" the piss without too much struggle and wait, the pain is down as well. I would be interested in hearing more about your exp with the chinese herbs after longer use, wrt flow etc.. Since the ayurvedic stuff seem to work ok for me, I am not immediately moved to try the chinese one. It's much more expensive than the ayurveda one. But I am ever looking to find an alternative that may work better. Cheers Rama If you google Himalaya Drugs Co, you can get to their website. The one called SPEMAN (primarily meant for improved spermatogenesis) was recommended by my dad. This is the one I tried, as their site displays a few clinical trial results with SPEMAN to treat BPH. The other called himplasia seems to be targeted at BPH, I haven't tried it. Goes without saying - do your own evaluation of the clinical trials they report etc. etc. ... I am merely pointing to a source for herbal/alternative for BPH that may or may not work for anyone as it does for me, plus your goals may be different. My objective is to avoid surgery for as long as I can. I hear of substantial percentage of people losing some organ functionality after surgery of all forms. All I have is symptoms, which my urologist labels as "BPH" even though my prostate is nromal sized, smooth & soft muscle. According to him, it's the baldder neck in my case. If that is correct, then surgery for me carries increased risks of incontinence. That is my understanding. Consumption of any stimulants e.g., tobacco, caffeine, tea seems to bring my condition back to where it was before starting on this herbal concoction. Even skipping it for 2-3 days causes a relapse. I am also taking several supplements straight out of Roger Mason's research paper - these did not provide me with symptom relief, but apparently have longer term preventive value. Cheers Rama > Rama - Can you provide some info on where you obtained the > "Indian ayurvedic pill" ??? [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Rama I've come to the end of what Flomax can do and had the discussion with my urologist this morning about what the next step is. He explained two options: TURP or TUMT. Based on what I have read here and elsewhere, if I were to go the TURP direction, I would look into PVP, even though that would require going elsewhere to have it done. While he is willing to do either TURP or TUMT, the impression I got is that he feels TUMT (Thermatrx DOT) would provide adequate improvement (though not as much as TURP/PVP) with minimal side effects. From the material he gave me, it appears that if the results are not adequate, it would still be possible to do TURP/PVP later. There's a certain attractivenes to that "go one step at a time" approach. Has anyone here had experience with TUMT? |
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