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c palmer - 15 Mar 2004 04:16 GMT
here's the facts,  brother, age 65, father and  other brother (me) had
pca.  urged the 65 yr brother to get psa test ran.  he  said that it is
6

i never heard of something in their 60's with that low of psa.  you know
he should have BPH knocking at his door as well.  but that is what he's
telling me.  

my question is this, is a .6 a real value at that stage of the game, or
is he not telling me the truth?

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
James Mullins - 15 Mar 2004 05:06 GMT
I am 70 years old and my last PSA was 0.3

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Jack - 15 Mar 2004 16:47 GMT
For a 65 year old I would say that 6 is high.  High enough to have a
DRE done by the uro and possibly a biopsy.  On the other hand, the 6
may have been caused by prostitis.  When I was 65, now 74, my psa
values was in the high 2s.

The only time I had a psa of 6 was when I had prostitis at age 69.
After that was cleared up I dropped back to low to mid 4s until my PVP
last year.  Now I run in the low 3s.

Jack

> here's the facts,  brother, age 65, father and  other brother (me) had
> pca.  urged the 65 yr brother to get psa test ran.  he  said that it is
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> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
c palmer - 15 Mar 2004 20:47 GMT
sorry jack - i left out the period on the one number.  he's got a .6 psa

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Jack - 16 Mar 2004 02:59 GMT
Hey then at 0.6 he is in great shape.  In fact there is a good chance
that he doesn't have BPH.  Common symptoms are frequent urinations,
slow flow rate, having to get up more than once during the night to
urinate.  If he doesn't have more than one of those, probably doesn't
have BPH.  I've heard there are some males, like your brother, who
luck out and don't have BPH until their late 70s or into their 80s.
Jack
> sorry jack - i left out the period on the one number.  he's got a .6 psa
>
> ~ curtis
>
> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
c palmer - 19 Mar 2004 06:55 GMT
hi jack - what gets me about my brother is...... he does all the wrong
things.  

my dad had pca, i had BPH, prostatitis and pca, and  here's sits my
brother in a high risk group for pca, with a .6 psa.  

that itself doesn't get me.  but he weighs 400 lbs. he's lost the sight
in one eye, starting to have episodes of shingles, his knees have given
out and he can't walk 200ft without breaking into a sweat dripping off
his nose.  he drinks at least 5 liters of wine a day, telling me that
it's good for the heart along with his green tea.  he says the doctors
don't know what's wrong with him because when he stands up his blood
pressure drops and if he stresses himself and tires out, he doesn't
bounce back and it will take a day at least for him to get his energy
back.  he's 65 years old. so with his age, his general physical
condition, he's sounds like a poster child for heart attack or stroke,
yet, he's the one who has the .6 psa.  at least he drew one good card
from the deck of life.........

oh, yeah, one more thing,  and he's serious when he told me.  he says
he's going to live to be a 100.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
MB - 22 Mar 2004 03:52 GMT
Well, look, hopefully we all have some health things that actually work
well!!!
I have  BPH problems, but also I am 57 and I still don't wear glasses (I
could probably use some, but ...)

Mel

> hi jack - what gets me about my brother is...... he does all the wrong
> things.
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> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Jack - 22 Mar 2004 20:07 GMT
Hi Curtis,

Doubt if your brother will see 70 with that weight.  Losing the sight
in one eye tells me he has diabetes, or will have shortly.  With all
that alcohol it's a wonder he doesn't have sclerosis of the liver.
Just think of trying to get up with a 200 to 250 pound pack on your
back.  That tells you how much energy he has to exert just to get up.
Now walk up and down a football field, I know I sure would be tired.
Jack

> hi jack - what gets me about my brother is...... he does all the wrong
> things.
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> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
c palmer - 22 Mar 2004 22:35 GMT
hi jack - i agree with you 100% but so far his body has been like a
timex.  he's put it through hell in my books.

but here's things that don't add up.  he says he doesn't have diabetes.
he also said that he doesn't have wet degeneration, which is exactly
what he described when it happened.  researching that part, says that
wet degeneration of the eye only accounts for 10% of the elderly eye
diseases, but 90% of the problems, yet he doesn't think anything is
wrong.  to me, it's his body sending a warning sign.

so, when he tells me that his psa is .6, i'm thinking whoa!!!  what's
going on and hence the question to the group,  because i never made it
that far myself, before my prostate bit the dust.  so, any input is
greatly appreciated.

thanks,

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
MB - 23 Mar 2004 04:48 GMT
Curtis:

I'm not sure what inout you want.

So, he is lucky regarding his prostate.

I wouldn't want to change places with him!

Mel
> hi jack - i agree with you 100% but so far his body has been like a
> timex.  he's put it through hell in my books.
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> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
c palmer - 23 Mar 2004 04:59 GMT
Curtis:
I'm not sure what input you want.
So, he is lucky regarding his prostate.
I wouldn't want to change places with him!
Mel

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comment - hi mel - the input i was wanting was the folks out there who
were in the same boat and had a real low psa in that age group or knew
of someone who was.  is a .6 a reasonable number at that age?

that is why i gave the other history on him, because i didn't know if he
was telling me the truth.

i couldn't rely on my own psa when it was 6.35 @ age 56.  now, it is
less than .04 and hopefully will stay there.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
MB - 24 Mar 2004 05:46 GMT
Curtis:

Well, it either is or it isn't. I mean, I assume he is telling you the
truth. That is an unbelievable #, most excellent.

Mine is 2.1. I am 57. I've been told mine if quite good and pretty normal.

Mel

> Curtis:
> I'm not sure what input you want.
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> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
 
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