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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / July 2009Continuing PVP saga
December 2008 I described the happy outcome of a Greenlight Laser BPH treatment. With virtually no pain, I was able to pee very quickly. The only problem was that the amount was small, about 150mL. I was expecting that volume to increase as healing took place. Well, I am now greatly disappointed. I just had my third appointment with my uro since it started to take longer to pee, and the peeing became intermittent. I thing it was possible that I could have gotten to this state in one appointment. On top of that seems to be the interminable waiting around. It was about two and a half hours today. I will give it one more go before bailing out. I was alnost at the point of walking out. The uro said that dead tissue sloughed off during the healing process and cannot leave. I do not know why it cannot be ground or cur up into smaller pieces. He proposes an office procedure using a laser to break up this tissue. Bill  SignatureMost people go to college to get their missing high school education. > December 2008 I described the happy outcome of a Greenlight Laser BPH > treatment. With virtually no pain, I was able to pee very quickly. The [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bill *********************************8 Bill, I also had a PVP Jul '08 and regret having had it. Side effects: RetroGr, Inv Lkge, and dribble after urination. Went back to the uro who did the PVP on June 25 Thu, and said I'm doing better. RIGHT! DRE: "Your prostate is not as large" Bladder Ultrasound: Urine retention 97 vs 135. Yes, these are two positives. "See you in six months" Inv Lkge: wouldn't elaborate as if mum is the word. Just finished paying the $500 to the hosp in CoPays. And what do I have to show for? Trauma to my system, unpleasant side effects and $500 out of pocket. Have I been made whole? NO. RIGHT! Oh I forgot "There are no guarantees". The following day June 26 Fri had Urodynamics at ClevClic, The assistant could not penetrate the 14 french beyond 10", so the procedure got nixed pending results from the cysto on Mon June 29. As mentioned previously, had I known then what I know now, I would have NOT gone through the TURP or the PVP. Diet & lifestyle will decrease the size of the prostate. Discontinue or drastically reduce: Sugars, animal foods, processed foods, farm raised fish. Increase: Fresh fruits & vegetables. Many of the supplements taken are worthless Do you think the urologists, the medical profession as a whole have your best interest? Think again? NOT The medical system is designed to extract the maximum profit out of you and not to get you well. Manipulation, being taking advantage of. Yes, I'm bitter, for the trauma I've let myself be placed under, throughout these 20 plus years. Trusting and being deceived time after time. Forgot, I continue to refuse taking any kind of dugs. And please, don't tell me "no wonder you're not getting well, you're not listening to the doctors by refusing the drugs prescribed" I discontinued Plavix November'08. The recent thorough echo-stress test results was passed with flying colors. Why am I not paralyzed or dead like many have warned if I discontinued Plavix? Ramón > December 2008 I described the happy outcome of a Greenlight Laser BPH > treatment. With virtually no pain, I was able to pee very quickly. The [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > Most people go to college to get their missing high school education. Bill, Make an appt with the uro dept at Cleveland Clinic for a second evaluation before you have another procedure. Ramón In article <d20fbacc-cc0e-4993-afe9-a1b6b09efa97@g1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, > Bill, > Make an appt with the uro dept at Cleveland Clinic for a second > evaluation before you have another procedure. > Ramón Too late and too far. I am going for it nrxt weerk as an out patient. Bill SignatureMost people go to college to get their missing high school education. > In article > <d20fbacc-cc0e-4993-afe9-a1b6b09ef...@g1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Most people go to college to get their missing high school education. It's never too late when it involves stopping a permanent alteration with a lifetime of side effects. I would postpone pending the second evaluation at Cleveland Clinic. Ramon In article <a3f52814-ab02-459d-8518-47e3603ac7f9@e21g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, > It's never too late when it involves stopping a permanent alteration > with a lifetime of side effects. > I would postpone pending the second evaluation at Cleveland Clinic. For me, it is too late. Given the tradeoffs, I decided to go through with it. I am just getting up too many times overnight. The procedure is listed as Cystoscopy w/anesthesia. The uro says that there is sloughed off tissue that has not worked its way out. He plans on using a Greenlight laser during an outpatient procedure to finish up. Given the lack of immediate problems just after the PVP procedure, I have no reason to believe otherwise. I want it over. Bill SignatureMost people go to college to get their missing high school education. > In article > <a3f52814-ab02-459d-8518-47e3603ac...@e21g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > -- > Most people go to college to get their missing high school education. Bill - I've been following your dilemma and Ramon's reluctance (which is understandable due to all the problems he's had). You may have had the procedure already, but here's some other thoughts for you on this. I had a TURP 7 months ago and I'm very pleased but one thing happened that supports what your uro says - My flow has always been very good but at 6 weeks post TURP my flow abruptly slowed and almost stopped - which was caused by piece of the cut-off prostate that I passed, after which the flow resumed. It was a good-sized chunk that "shot out" when I pushed. It could have well been larger and not passed, which would have given me the same problem as you have. However, My uro said left over pieces were a disadvantage of a TURP over PVP because PVP vaporizes the pieces instead of cutting them off (and you had a PVP). I'll be watching for you posts for the result of the procedure. Good luck. In article <43817352-31f2-4201-ba30-3cf863fb62dc@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, > Bill - I've been following your dilemma and Ramon's reluctance (which > is understandable due to all the problems he's had). You may have had [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > (and you had a PVP). I'll be watching for you posts for the result of > the procedure. Good luck. I have had he procedure. I woke up with no pain. The real problem was the catheter, Aside from being annoying by just being there, some urine passed along the outside of the catheter. That stung! After contacting the uro, I removed the catheter. Instant relief. It still stung when I urinated. That is now greatly diminished. I am now getting sudden urgency that gives me little time windows to get to the bathroom. The urgency seems to start when I accumulated about 150 mL. I have some other symptoms that I attribute to the antibiotic--two more to go. I am going to spend most of day at the health center on Thursday. Bill SignatureMost people go to college to get their missing high school education. > In article > <43817352-31f2-4201-ba30-3cf863fb6...@d9g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hopefully you're now beyond those problems. I was extra careful to not strain myself after my TURP because of the trouble I read about online that many guys had from straining. But the procedure you had done (to get the loose pieces of prostate) should not have been as invasive as a full TURP so your recovery should be smoother. Good luck on your continuing recovery. Let us know how it goes. In article <0f107946-b2df-4721-a227-b19df1c5ee3b@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, > Hopefully you're now beyond those problems. I was extra careful to > not strain myself after my TURP because of the trouble I read about [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Good luck on your continuing recovery. Let us know how it goes. I visited the uro today. It is too early to tell, but everything seems to be going well. I see him again in about six weeks. Bill SignatureMost people go to college to get their missing high school education. > In article > <0f107946-b2df-4721-a227-b19df1c5ee3b@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Bill Hi Bill, I am glad to hear things are going better for you now. My procedure was done Friday morning as described in my 20 years of BPH-no more thread. Regards, Bob |
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