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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / December 2003Saw Palmetto and Zinc
I've been on Flomax the last few years, and my life was contstantly interrupted, I went to a second opinion, and he wanted to do surgery, and put me also on Avodart which made me impotent. Yechhh.I stopped the avodart, and started a lot of zinc and saw palmetto and have been 90% better. I went back to my original urologist, said he wasn't surprised. Give Saw Palmetto and Zinc a serious try! Bob Greetings, > Give Saw Palmetto and Zinc a serious try! I have been on Avodart for some time now, no difference apart from lack of ejaculate, also on Hytrin for many years, with Hytrin at least I can sleep! tried Saw Palmetto and zinc which I am taking now, still no change. No news from GP yet, I shall be writing to the PCT next week about the PVP op.  SignatureRegards, Peter peteratNOSPAMhull-me.co.uk >Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I have been on Avodart for some time now, no difference apart from lack of >ejaculate, also on Hytrin for many years, with Hytrin at least I can sleep! I hated Avodart. It takes 6 months for the benificial effects, but the negative side effects hit me within days. I have two completely different diagnosses from two urologists. One is very old school, one new school. I probably should get a third opinion. The old urologist makes much more sense to me, since I have ALWAYS had a problem, and he says the problems are mainly musculature. He said don't rush into surgery! The new guy said immediate surgery or I risk death. This is happening so often in my medical analysis. Doctors advise completely different directions. Two doctors say I need elbow surgery, another says nonsense, based on the same MRI. And those three doctors are all friends.. The saw palmetto I've been taking also has other things, it's Prostate Caps by Soloray and I added Zinc. That really made a fast, huge difference. My doctor said the studies on saw palmetto are excellent, but american drug companies don't like it! There's traditional medicine and other thoughts, and rarely do the two meet. I met a doctor where the two actually meet. After medical school he studied nutrition, travels the rain forests and studies traditional practices and herbs. With a critical, medical eye. He has a fascinating web site worth book marking. www.drbythe.com Bob >tried Saw Palmetto and zinc which I am taking now, still no change. > >No news from GP yet, I shall be writing to the PCT next week about the PVP >op. >>Greetings, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >negative side effects >hit me within days. Hi Bob, As PVP is not yet available in the Netherlands, my strategy is to postpone the TURP unitil PVP is accepted here. Meanwhile I plan to use Avodart to control the prostate growth. So, I am very interested in what negative side effects you suffered from. Can you tell something more about this? thanks, Jan Jan, Check out this site http://www.prostaat.nl/content/prostaat/ga_beh_plasbuis.asp It is a dutch site and not use to others here. Pinkot > As PVP is not yet available in the Netherlands, my strategy is to > postpone the TURP unitil PVP is accepted here. Meanwhile I plan to use [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thanks, > Jan >Jan, >Check out this site >http://www.prostaat.nl/content/prostaat/ga_beh_plasbuis.asp >It is a dutch site and not use to others here. >Pinkot Thank you Pinkot! I already spelled out this site. It is the official site for prostate patients in the Netherlands. But the laser method mentioned there is not PVP. Jan >> As PVP is not yet available in the Netherlands, my strategy is to >> postpone the TURP unitil PVP is accepted here. Meanwhile I plan to use [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> thanks, >> Jan > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >thanks, >Jan I became impotent in just a few days. I had been on flomax 2x daily for several years with no problems whatsoever. I still had to go all the time. I started taking, on the advise of a nutritionist, Soloray Prostrate which includes quite a few ingredients other than Saw Palmetto, as well as 100 mg of chelated Zinc. It very quickly made a huge difference. I was getting up only 1 x a night. I could drive 2 hours without a stop. These type of things were unknown. I went back to my original urologist, who said surgery was not needed, (another urologist said I had a life threatening condition) for me, the studies on Saw Palmetto are great, to stay with it, and my biggest problems are musculature, which flomax is designed for. Bob > I've been on Flomax the last few years, and my life was contstantly > interrupted, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Give Saw Palmetto and Zinc a serious try! > Bob I tried Saw Palmetto and experienced fatigue. Has anyone else had the same experience? I've read when taking Zinc, one should also supplement with Copper. I found that Copper irritated my stomach. > I've been on Flomax the last few years, and my life was contstantly > interrupted, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Give Saw Palmetto and Zinc a serious try!> > Bob I found that Saw Palmetto caused fatigue. Has anyone else had the same experience? I've read that if one supplement with Zinc, one should also take copper. I found that copper irritates my stomach. Canada approved Alfuzosin. Was in the R&D study. See: http://www.docguide.com/news/content.nsf/News/8525697700573E1885256C000052 F93B?OpenDocument&id=48dde4a73e09a969852568880078c249 >I've been on Flomax the last few years, and my life was contstantly >interrupted, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Bob Dr. Shippen in his book has a good but short discussion on the effects of Saw Palmetto versus the proprietary pharmaceuticals in treating bph. He works on the theory that it's desirable to knock down the DHT levels to help the prostate but there's a good window to be in. (Too high and the fibrous parts of the prostate grow in size--too low and there are going to be E.D. problems.) In some patients DHT antagonists can knock the patient through the bottom of the window. (That even happened to me with S.P. 18 months ago--I'm now Viagra dependent.) I'd recommend reading his book on male menopause and testerone if you are interested in treating with Saw. The problem with Saw Palmetto is that the major drug firms won't fund good clinical trials since there's no revenue stream from it. Many doctors, particularly young ones have been so terrorized by malpractice lawyers that they are hesitant to recommend any thing that hasn't passed FDA approved trials. Regards, "Mike" -- mikeellison3xxxatzzzyahoo.com -- Thanks. Well, the results for ME are excellent without surgery. I'd avoid surgery like the plague, especially when much of my problem is musculature in nature. I'm still interested in the book.What is the name? There is a lot of clinical research on saw palmetto, it's not hippy dippy stuff. > > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >Regards, "Mike" >-- mikeellison3xxxatzzzyahoo.com -- >Thanks. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I'm still interested in the book.What is the name? E. Shippen, M.D. & W. Fryer, "The Testosterone Syndrome"; 1998, New York, Evans, ISBN 0-87131-829-6 ------- usually available in paperback on amazon. Agree, unless it's CA, the knife (metal or laser) is a last ditch option for me too. I'm going to propose a try at Shippen's (diet + zinc + soy + exercise) routine to my Uro next week. If he OK's it, he'll decide on how long to let it run before we do something more drastic. (I'm suggesting either 3 mos or 6 mos.) I feel confident since I was able to reduce a pretty bad left lobe enlargement with Saw P. several years ago. Shippen's approach looks like a more direct attack at an underlying hormone problem. (If, in fact, hormone imbalance is my problem.) Regards, "Mike" -- mikeellison3xxxatzzzyahoo.com -- |
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