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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / March 2008BPH Just Starting. Need Advice...
Dear All: I am a 43 year old man and have sporatic problems with BPH for a while now. It all started roughly 4.5 years ago with severe lower abdomen pain and slight urination problems that all subsided quickly once a small cancerous tumor was removed from my bladder. Since then, about once a year, I get lower abdomen pain that comes and goes and lately, I have been starting to have urination problems. My urologist has prescribed proscar, but I absolutely despise medication that has no end in sight. I also do not even want to take the chance on a negative impact on my love life. I guess I am looking for any alternative therapies that may help out to avoid medication. Any advice on lifestyle changes, diet changes, alternative herbs, etc. would be appreciated. >Dear All: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >to avoid medication. Any advice on lifestyle changes, diet changes, >alternative herbs, etc. would be appreciated. It's odd that you should have these problems at this young an age, and that the onset was marked by the cancer. That suggests that either the operation or the cancer is the cause. Your doc is checking that out, right? I have found that my system is very sensitive to something in chocolate, and dark chocolate is the worst. Maybe something like that is aggravating your condition, and maybe you can find out what it is. There have been reports that a diet rich in veggies is good, and meat is bad, for BPH. Some believe that Saw Palmetto is effective, but if it is, then it is a drug. A recent study discredits it, while leaving the possibility open that under some circumstances it might be helpful. My uro says try meds first, and if that doesn't work, then it is time for surgery. Most on this NG sing the praises of PVP (greenlight laser). A few have had problems with it. The "gold standard" and still frequently practiced technique is TURP. It seems that TURP has a longer recovery time but is more effective. Surgery avoids the meds and their side effects... if you want to go that route, you need to do your own research to decide with your uro which procedure is best for you. Good luck, and let us know what happens. Ed > It's odd that you should have these problems at this young an age, and > that the onset was marked by the cancer. That suggests that either the > operation or the cancer is the cause. Your doc is checking that out, > right? [OP] The surgery was EXTREMELY MILD and not likely the cause of anything. It may have been purely coincidence as the cancerous tumor was the smallest tumor my doc had ever seen in his life. It was roughly 1/16" diameter or so and there have been no re-occurances. > I have found that my system is very sensitive to something in > chocolate, and dark chocolate is the worst. Maybe something like that > is aggravating your condition, and maybe you can find out what it is. [OP] Coffee seems to contribute to my problem.. Not sure about anything else however. My old ur ordered me to stay away from spicy foods, but I don't notice any effect what so ever when I eat spicy foods. > There have been reports that a diet rich in veggies is good, and meat > is bad, for BPH. [OP] My overall diet is pretty good and I get plenty of exercise. I don't expect to be able to improve much in this regard unless someone recommends a magic food of some sort. > Some believe that Saw Palmetto is effective, but if it is, then it is > a drug. A recent study discredits it, while leaving the possibility > open that under some circumstances it might be helpful. [OP] I have heard this. I take the stuff because it's cheap and it doesn't have any side effects. I honestly can't say if it works at all or not. I did take Beta Sistoseron (sp), and I am certain that didn't work. > My uro says try meds first, and if that doesn't work, then it is time > for surgery. Most on this NG sing the praises of PVP (greenlight > laser). > A few have had problems with it. The "gold standard" and still > frequently practiced technique is TURP. It seems that TURP has a > longer recovery time but is more effective. ' [OP] I would like to avoid the TURP also. > Surgery avoids the meds > and their side effects... if you want to go that route, you need to do > your own research to decide with your uro which procedure is best for > you. > > Good luck, and let us know what happens. [OP] THANKS!!!!!! The problem is not bad right now, but I would like to get this behind me permanently somehow. > Ed >> It's odd that you should have these problems at this young an age, >> and that the onset was marked by the cancer. That suggests that [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > all or not. I did take Beta Sistoseron (sp), and I am certain that > didn't work. I would think the beta sitosterol would work better (for BPH) than the saw palmetto since one of the theories is that it is the active ingredient in saw palmetto (and thus much more concentrated when taking beta sitosterol directly) that is the 5AR inhibitor that reduces the production of dihydrotestosterone, which supposedly cause the prostrate to grow. I have taken it (separately and as part of a phytosterol complex now), and bee pollen, and quercetin for two or three years and can't say that any of them are producing any magical or noticeable effects. I have had TUIP (1995) and TURP (2005) on my bladder neck and prostrate (which is relatively normal size), and am still not happy, but have more serious problems now with my stomach and upper GI tract. I also used to have a lot of problems with prostatitis also (mostly non bacterial), which is why I take the bee pollen and quercetin. Phytotsterols are supposedly good for other things also, like lowering total and LDL cholesterol - but you know how the FDA denies all labels on supplements - lol . Like everyone says in here, it may take a long time to notice the effects of a 5AR inhibitor (that supposedly helps to slow down the growth or shrink your prostate and allow better flow), whether it be avodart or proscar, or beta sitosterol or saw palmetto. And no one "really" knows a lot about the long term effects of taking supplements like beta sitosterol or saw palmetto, or many of the prescribed drugs either. Pete >> My uro says try meds first, and if that doesn't work, then it is time >> for surgery. Most on this NG sing the praises of PVP (greenlight [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> Ed In article <45871ed5-82dd-440f-ba3b-6b08a3e5e6ad@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > I guess I am looking for any alternative therapies that may help out > to avoid medication. Any advice on lifestyle changes, diet changes, > alternative herbs, etc. would be appreciated. IMHO (non-medical), I think you stop looking. The problems you can run into that way an be very serious on the medical and financial fronts. Note, that I am not a big fan of main line medicine, but it beats dealing with charlatans. Bill Pain, and especially 'severe' pain, is not generally a symptom of BPH. Go to another urologist and get a second opinion. > Dear All: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > to avoid medication. Any advice on lifestyle changes, diet changes, > alternative herbs, etc. would be appreciated. I've had that problem since I was a teenager. Burning sensation, especially at night time. After having a swollen prostate. I have had two TUR's and lots of trouble since. My doctor gave the strongest antibiotic available taken by mouth. Did not help a bit. I was in a book store one day, and saw all my symptoms on the front of a book "Yeast" . I went on a yeast free diet for at least six months. No sugar, bread, crackers, and I don't remember what else, but my symptoms went away, but I really love sweets and coffee. I still don't eat much bread, but I think I just have to have the sweets (sugar). Of course my symptoms have returned. Especially the burning. About 4 or 5 months ago, I saw an ad somewhere about a product guaranteed to get results in two weeks or your money back. I finally decided to try it. I ordered a three months supply. I think it was 3 months. When I received it a return label came with the order. I'm not getting paid to write this, and I know that anyone reading this will think I am bound to be connected in some way to the company, but I am not. My prostate is not healed, but my burning is very mild compared to being a lot worse. I know I need to go back on a no sugar diet. to completely recover.. Here is the site to order the product. It works. http://www.betaprostall.com/default.asp?TrackID=UNG03 I didn't mention that I went to several board certified urologists which non helped. I think they all went to the same school. > I was in a > book store one day, and saw all my symptoms on the front of a book > "Yeast" . And just what were those symptoms? Bill >>I was in a >>book store one day, and saw all my >>symptoms on the front of a book "Yeast" . > >And just what were those symptoms? >Bill Mostly burning, and it was all day long. It started when I was a boy. I thought I had some kind of VD. It would come and go. As I got older, it was mostly constant, and it caused me to be slow to get started peeing. I did notice when I was in my mid twenties, I started drinking several cokes a day, it got worse. > >>I was in a > >>book store one day, and saw all my [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I did notice when I was in my mid twenties, I started drinking several > cokes a day, it got worse. What are the symptoms listed in the book? You are giving us just one symptom. It strikes me that one symptom is not enough of a basis upon which to base a diagnosis or change a lifestyle. Bill >What are the symptoms listed in the book? You >are giving us just one symptom. It strikes me >that one symptom is not enough of a basis >upon which to base a diagnosis or change a >lifestyle. >Bill For the life of me, I don't remember all the symptoms I had, but I remember there were more than just one on the front of the book. I don't even remember the name of the book, but YEAST was part of the title. Since I had been to all the resources I knew about, except accupuncture, I thought about that since I had tried the antibiotics and as far as I know there three elements (animal, mineral, and vegetable), and since bacteria is animal, and antibiotics is for bacteria, that my problem was not bacteria, that it had to be vegetable, and maybe it must be yeast. I think yeast and mold is vegetable; I don't know. I'm not a scientist, physisest, or anything; I'm just an old farmer. > >What are the symptoms listed in the book? You > >are giving us just one symptom. It strikes me [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I think yeast and mold is vegetable; I don't know. > I'm not a scientist, physisest, or anything; I'm just an old farmer. Your concepts about biology are about 50 years out of date. Bactgeria and yeasts are not animals or vegetables. Modern biology classifies organisms now as prokaryotes (cells without nuclei) and eukaryotes (cells with nuclei and other structures). Bacteria are the former while yeasts are the latter. I suggest you get a modern high school level book on microbiology. Do not make life changing decisions based upon ignorance. Bill >>I don't know. I'm not a scientist, physisest, or >>anything; I'm just an old farmer. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Bill No comment From The OP: Thanks for all of your comments. Based on what I have read here, I have come to the conclussion that my symptoms don't match BPH all that well (although it's plausible) and more importantly, I am going to get a 2nd opinion. In article <5b3f1d68-cd7a-41e4-a57c-d638c4e631ba@64g2000hsw.googlegroups.com>, > From The OP: > > Thanks for all of your comments. Based on what I have read here, I > have come to the conclussion that my symptoms don't match BPH all that > well (although it's plausible) and more importantly, I am going to get > a 2nd opinion. That seems like a smart thing to do. Just remember, don't get a second opinion from a witch doctor. :=) Bill Turns out that my local UR basically runs every UR clinic within an hour or so... So not likely to get a 2nd opinion without lots of travel.... However, did get another check up and the latest round of pain is likely due to inflammation, not the BPH... Another month of Ciprol.. Feeling better already!!!!!! aesoph_family@yahoo.com wrote in news:45871ed5-82dd-440f-ba3b- 6b08a3e5e6ad@z17g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: > Dear All: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > to avoid medication. Any advice on lifestyle changes, diet changes, > alternative herbs, etc. would be appreciated. Lower abdominal pain, if on left side, could be diverticulitis. If so, read up on it on-line and avoid foods indicated, like popcorn, seeds, corn, nuts, and some other stuff. Eat _lots_ of fiber. Acidophilus caps seem to help. Not that bad, I've had it for decades and it seldom flares up now. You should be aware that if you have BPH anti-histamines can lock up your urinary system for a while. Very scary! Avoid. Read warning info on OTC drug packages and avoid stuff that mentions prostate.  Signature"When you choose the lesser of two evils, always remember that it is still an evil." - Max Lerner |
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