From: betaine_hcl@yahoo.com

I agree with your point on the dangers of self selection biasing the
results. I could even be some thing like this if one is middle class you
more likely to barbecue, take multiple vitamins, and willing volunteer
medical information. Barbecued food and hot dogs likely raise the
chances of some cancers. Further, many in the middle class people tend
to work more in doors and not get as much of the sunshine vitamin.
On Jun 23, 4:24 pm, Ed <E...@ed.ed> wrote:
I'm just wondering if those guys on the multivitamins were taking them
because of poorer health to begin with, which might then possibly
explain the increased chance of advanced cancer. I noticed in the
summary that the authors hedged a bit on the conclusions because of the
possibility of other influences.
Ed

==> i'll chime in on this one.  being a prostate cancer survivor and
watching my dad die from prostate cancer.  the question goes back to how
much did food and vitamins have to do with the pca.

my dad grew up on a farm.  everything was natural grown and yet he died
FROM pca.   yes, he did develop advanced pca but that was because his
stupid doctors advised him to go watchful waiting when his psa was 6 at
the time they found the pca.  he was in excellent health otherwise and
well in the area of being cured, whether by surgery or radiation,  but
instead of treatment, i watched his psa climb to 288 before they put him
on lupron shots.

i've always been careful on taking care of my body.   it's the only one
that i have.  i've taken multi-vitamins as well as eating about 5 lbs of
tomatoes a week.  i like the taste of tomatoes, so it wasn't like i was
forcing myself to eat them.  yet, tomatoes didn't stop me from having
pca.  

then, if you go to the prostate cancer support newsgroup, you will find
all kinds of things that people have recommended to eat in trying to
beat this pca monster.

bottom line is simply this.  you get prostate cancer first.  if you
don't treat it,  it will develop into advanced prostate cancer
regardless of what you eat or do.  but to make a judgement call that
advanced prostate cancer is caused by a certain food, chemical, or
action is definitely premature.

wish everyone low psa's.

~ curtis

4 yr pca survivor - undetectdable psa

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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