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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / August 2006lower PSA
Does anyone in the group know of a natural supplement that will actually lower your PSA. DP > Does anyone in the group know of a natural supplement that will actually > lower your PSA. DP Saw Palmetto is supposed to. However, why would you want to intentionally lower it? I have only heard that a high reading indicates that cancer is possibly present and that further testing may be needed. From what I have heard lowering PSA with a supplement would only serve to make the reading useless. Rich, Because the way I understand it, maybe I'm wrong but Whatever lowers PSA is probably good for Prostate health. I should of made myself clearer, I wasn't necessarily talking about Saw Palmetto in which I have plenty of experience. I was more interested in if anyone in the group had any experience with PC HOPE, PROSTASOL,PC SPEC, or anything else that might be of benifit. Thanks in advance for an answer. DP >> Does anyone in the group know of a natural supplement that will actually >> lower your PSA. DP [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > heard lowering PSA with a supplement would only serve to make the reading > useless. It's going to take someone a lot more informed than me. My understanding has been that PSA is a possible but not highly reliable measure of prostate health. Sudden changes in level should be investigated. > Rich, > Because the way I understand it, maybe I'm wrong but Whatever lowers [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> heard lowering PSA with a supplement would only serve to make the reading >> useless. Rich, That's what I said.Lowering the PSA is probably good for Prostate health. My PSA has been between 4 and 5 for about 10 years with one biopsy which was negative, had PVP in 2003 which is beginning to loose its effectiveness PSA went down to 3.51 about a year after PVP but is now 4.81. PVP never helped nighttime urination any. So now I would just like to do something that I,m reasonably sure is good for the prostate it seems as the URO's can't do anything short of surgery. I don't know of one thing they do that makes the prostate more healthy. I think in one of your posts you said you have had a PVP. So I wish you the best of luck with it and good health. > It's going to take someone a lot more informed than me. My understanding > has been that PSA is a possible but not highly reliable measure of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>> From what I have heard lowering PSA with a supplement would only serve >>> to make the reading useless. What I said was that I didn't think PSA does anything one way or another. Nothing I have seen says that a lower number is necessarily good. What I have seen says that a sudden increase "might" mean something. And nothing I have read says that a high PSA has any effect on Prostate health. Maybe a high number might be good!! I think that a sudden change in PSA means something in the prostate has changed and that is not necessarily cancer. > Rich, > That's what I said.Lowering the PSA is probably good for Prostate [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>>> From what I have heard lowering PSA with a supplement would only serve >>>> to make the reading useless. Rich, I wasn't talking about a sudden change in PSA. This is going no where. Best of luck. DP > What I said was that I didn't think PSA does anything one way or another. > Nothing I have seen says that a lower number is necessarily good. What I [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>>>> be needed. From what I have heard lowering PSA with a supplement would >>>>> only serve to make the reading useless. I agree. I thought someone might chime in with something constructive. I am back to my original contention which is that I don't think lowering the PSA artificially does anything. > Rich, > I wasn't talking about a sudden change in PSA. This is going no [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >>>>>> be needed. From what I have heard lowering PSA with a supplement would >>>>>> only serve to make the reading useless. I forgot to ask if your flow was better after PVP. I still get up three or four times a night but flow is so much better after PVP that I am not up very long. Urgency sets in at about 4 oz. Even during the day I rarely get to 8 oz. But I do drink a lot, even in the evening. I have a sinus problem and often need to drink something when I get up at night. > I agree. I thought someone might chime in with something constructive. > I am back to my original contention which is that I don't think [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >>>>>>> testing may be needed. From what I have heard lowering PSA with a >>>>>>> supplement would only serve to make the reading useless. Rich, Flow was a lot better, volume was about 8 oz. In the two and a half years since PVP volume has improved slightly to 9 to 10 oz.best has been 12oz that was when I was taking Ditropan. I usually do 9 oz once in the night but it takes to goes to do it and urinate 3 to 4 times a night. Sometimes I don't have to get up but that is rare occasionally though I just get up once. I would sure like to know a way to improve on the 3 or 4 times a night. At night I urinate and wait for a minute or so and then go again. I have to do that to get the 8 or 9 oz. Flow has slowed down a lot since PVP but is still better than it was previous to PVP. I was just about like you immediately after PVP. How long has it been since you had your PVP? DP >I forgot to ask if your flow was better after PVP. I still get up three or >four times a night but flow is so much better after PVP that I am not up [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >>>>>>>> may be needed. From what I have heard lowering PSA with a >>>>>>>> supplement would only serve to make the reading useless. Three and a half months since mine. Undoubtedly the condition of the bladder and age are important as well. I have made 12 oz. but that was a rare one. Rarely over 4 oz at any time. Overall I am very satisfied not getting up as often as every hour and then spending a couple minutes dribbling out an ounce or two. And there are those times at night I get up because of other reasons and figure I might as well take a leak!! > Rich, > Flow was a lot better, volume was about 8 oz. In the two and a half [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] >>>>>>>>> may be needed. From what I have heard lowering PSA with a >>>>>>>>> supplement would only serve to make the reading useless. Here is a reference that says what I was saying: http://www.tpe.com/~altarboy/nt010801.htm He gives a mayo clinic reference for the following but it doesn't connect. "Other things that can raise PSA levels include age, noncancerous enlargement of the prostate (benign prostatic hyperplasia, or BPH), irritation of the prostate due to inflammation or infection, and ejaculation within 2 days before the test. In addition, the use of certain hair-growth and BPH drugs can lower PSA numbers. So can certain herbal medicines. But raising or lowering PSA numbers artificially does not raise or lower risk, it simply makes the test results inaccurate." > Three and a half months since mine. Undoubtedly the condition of the > bladder and age are important as well. I have made 12 oz. but that was [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >>>>>>>>>> testing may be needed. From what I have heard lowering PSA >>>>>>>>>> with a supplement would only serve to make the reading useless. >Rich, > That's what I said.Lowering the PSA is probably good for Prostate >health. That's not logical. What is good for your prostate may lower your PSA, not the other way around. Ed Ed That is correct, a little misstatement on my part. DP >>Rich, >> That's what I said.Lowering the PSA is probably good for Prostate [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Ed You should eat more veggies, and relax. This can reduce the incidence of prostate cancer and hence reduce PSA. See http://tinyurl.com/lt5tf. Ed >Ed > That is correct, a little misstatement on my part. DP [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> Ed Ed, That is very good advice. I have been trying to get on a better diet for sometime. Hope to drop from 202 lbs. to 185. I've got a hunch that will help prostate health more than anything else I might do or anything the Uro can do. I think that lower PSA numbers from a better diet is probably an indicator that your prostate is healthier. Thanks for the advice. DP > You should eat more veggies, and relax. This can reduce the incidence > of prostate cancer and hence reduce PSA. See http://tinyurl.com/lt5tf. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>> >>> Ed > Rich, > That's what I said.Lowering the PSA is probably good for Prostate [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > has been that PSA is a possible but not highly reliable measure of > > prostate health. Sudden changes in level should be investigated. PVP does nothing to stop the growth of the prostate. I had a situation similar to yours. My prostate started growing again after surgery and my PSA, which had fallen, started to creep up. My urologist put me on Avodart. My urinary symptoms are much better, probably better than after the PVP. My PSA dropped over 50%. There can be side effects, so you need to discuss those with your doctor. >> Rich, >> That's what I said.Lowering the PSA is probably good for Prostate [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > probably better than after the PVP. My PSA dropped over 50%. There > can be side effects, so you need to discuss those with your doctor. Any idea if the growth rate of the prostate is constant. Mine went from 35 Gr to 72 Gr in ten years during that time my PSA went up from 5.2 to 9.0 and down to 6.8 just prior to PVP. during that time I was taking Saw Palmetto. Since having PVP in July '05 my PSA was 5.1 in December and is now 6.0. Derek. Thanks for the information I have an appointment with my URO Sept. 12 and I will ask him about prescribing Avodart. Does anyone else in the group have any information on Avodart that might be helpful? I would appreciate hearing about it. DP, >> Rich, >> That's what I said.Lowering the PSA is probably good for Prostate [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > probably better than after the PVP. My PSA dropped over 50%. There > can be side effects, so you need to discuss those with your doctor. |
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