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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / June 2006pvp with cancer?
Is it safe to have PVP if there is suspicion of prostate cancer? One point of view says, no problem: if there is cancer, it is on the outer edge of the prostate, while PVP "cores the apple," that is, tunnels through in the center where the urethra was. But another view says that there can be cancer in the inner gland, which would suggest that PVP might in some way disturb or spread it. Any views/info? Jesse > Is it safe to have PVP if there is suspicion of prostate cancer? One > point of view says, no problem: if there is cancer, it is on the outer [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Jesse Jesse...what are you doing. You asked this same type of question on 5/4/06. Are you going to keep repeating it every so often hoping to catch new blood in the group, or what. Pete, I missed the vote where you became moderator of this newsgroup. Talk about repeating - how many times have you "repeated" yourself about your feelings toward doctors? I personally am sick of hearing about it. You seem to examine every post for a spelling error or what you perceive as an inconsistency so that you can take the poster to great task over it. It's very inhibiting to new posters who may be lurking and trying to learn to think they may be scolded for some sort of error if they ask a question. It's ok to read a post and not respond to it. It's ok to post without typing swear words. One of your early posts was about how someone 'ruined' some other group, please don't do that to this one. Al >>Is it safe to have PVP if there is suspicion of prostate cancer? One >>point of view says, no problem: if there is cancer, it is on the outer [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Are you going to keep repeating it every so often hoping to catch new blood > in the group, or what. > Pete, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Al Screw you Al...I do not like you and never have. If you want to start a flame war then come on back at me. >>> Is it safe to have PVP if there is suspicion of prostate cancer? One >>> point of view says, no problem: if there is cancer, it is on the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> 5/4/06. Are you going to keep repeating it every so often hoping to >> catch new blood in the group, or what. Hey Pete, lighten up! We're all supposed to be helping each other here, and normally you do that. Not to take sides, but some of Al's comments were well taken, particularly as regards inhibiting new members. > > Al > > Screw you Al...I do not like you and never have. If you want to start a It is perfectly fine to ask the same question more than once. People come and go from this group and there is always the chance that someone new will have a relevant experience. Also, some of us have become truly desperate due to the agonies created either by our conditions or by (in my case) the side-effects. (I have every side-effect from seeds known to medicine.) Let's try to continue in the spirit of helping (and even putting up with) each other. > Hey Pete, lighten up! We're all supposed to be helping each other > here, and normally you do that. Not to take sides, but some of Al's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Screw you Al...I do not like you and never have. If you want to start a It is perfectly fine to ask the same question more than once. People come and go from this group and there is always the chance that someone new will have a relevant experience. Also, some of us have become truly desperate due to the agonies created either by our conditions or by (in my case) the side-effects. (I have every side-effect from seeds known to medicine.) Let's try to continue in the spirit of helping (and even putting up with) each other. > Hey Pete, lighten up! We're all supposed to be helping each other > here, and normally you do that. Not to take sides, but some of Al's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Screw you Al...I do not like you and never have. If you want to start a It is perfectly fine to ask the same question more than once. People come and go from this group and there is always the chance that someone new will have a relevant experience. Also, some of us have become truly desperate due to the agonies created either by our conditions or by (in my case) the side-effects. (I have every side-effect from seeds known to medicine.) Let's try to continue in the spirit of helping (and even putting up with) each other. > Hey Pete, lighten up! We're all supposed to be helping each other > here, and normally you do that. Not to take sides, but some of Al's [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > Screw you Al...I do not like you and never have. If you want to start a >> Is it safe to have PVP if there is suspicion of prostate cancer? One >> point of view says, no problem: if there is cancer, it is on the outer [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 5/4/06. Are you going to keep repeating it every so often hoping to catch > new blood in the group, or what. It's what is known as a second opinion :-) Derek. And what is wrong with Jesse trying to get a better answer? >> Is it safe to have PVP if there is suspicion of prostate cancer? One >> point of view says, no problem: if there is cancer, it is on the outer [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 5/4/06. Are you going to keep repeating it every so often hoping to catch > new blood in the group, or what. Is it safe to have PVP if there is suspicion of prostate cancer? One point of view says, no problem: if there is cancer, it is on the outer edge of the prostate, while PVP "cores the apple," that is, tunnels through in the center where the urethra was. But another view says that there can be cancer in the inner gland, which would suggest that PVP might in some way disturb or spread it. Any views/info? Jesse ====== hi jesse - i've heard arguments for over 10 years on this one. bottom line, they say it doesn't matter. here's why - picture a loaf of bread inside a plastic wrapper. you open it up and while the bread looks fresh, it smells that there are some mole inside. even if the mole spores where on one end, they will travel throughout the whole loaf of bread. the prostate is much like that. there are 5 lobes to the prostate. while the cancer normally starts in the back two lobes which are closest to the colon (which is why the DRE and biopsies are taken from that direction) if the prostate has cancer, it will be throughout the whole gland. you could see this under the microscope, but, someone would say that it's just the back two lobes that are involved. well, i put this question to my doctor when i found out that i had prostate cancer. why can't you just cut out the bad parts and leave the rest - much like you do an apple or pear? the rest of the meat is still good. you don't throw away the whole apple just because it has a small bad spot on it. his answer - different cancers grow in different styles. if you had a kidney cancer, i could cut off the top 1/3 of the kidney and leave you with the rest and you would be fine, because that type of cancer grows in a ball. but prostate cancer grows in fingers - like crab grass. it seeks out ways to take the path of least resistance, which is why the holes that are in the prostate are so important. it is trying to get out and the chemical reaction from the nerves firing, is like a dinner bell to this cancer. it can sense it and grows to it, which is why the erectile nerves are some of the first to go. so, while you could have cancer in one of the lobes, doesn't mean that the rest of the prostate is free and clear of cancer. now, back to the question - if you had.......Is it safe to have PVP if there is suspicion of prostate cancer? you are going to find different opinions. but it's scary because it's your life that they are playing with on the answers. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc |
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