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richreilly@hotmail.com - 28 May 2006 01:02 GMT
I am typing this from a hospital computer where my Dad is due to a
recurring MRSA UTI presumed to be from long-term catheterization(Since
March '05).
It has gotten to the point where his nursing home is suggesting we
contact hospice because they feel that any time now his infection could
become unstoppable. They seem less interested in pursuing remedies and
prefer to "make him comfortable".
We are not ready for this and want to see if a procedure could rid him
of the catheter and thus the main cause of infection.
Surprisingly, he had not had a bladder function test until we asked for
one recently. He seems to have adequate bladder function. The current
Uro suggests TURP but tehre are concerns about morbidity. We are
learning of other options like Laser-TURP, TUNA, TUMT etc. We have
heard varying opinions on the efficacy of the less invasive techniques
like TUMT. Some have said new versions are working on folks with
retention even after lonfg-term catheterization. some have said that
some uros use TUMT because they make more money off the procedure. But
then..this is from a Uro that doesn't have the equipment to do TUMT.
so..it's hard to know when one is getting objective information.
As I peruse Pubmed, I see varying assesments on the various options.
And I don't see much in terms of how treatments differ regarding risk
of severe infection..of special interest in Dad's case.
If anyone has thoughts or experiences reagarding this, please post. I
can also be reached at richreilly at hotmail dot com.
Rich256 - 28 May 2006 03:19 GMT
> I am typing this from a hospital computer where my Dad is due to a
> recurring MRSA UTI presumed to be from long-term catheterization(Since
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> If anyone has thoughts or experiences reagarding this, please post. I
> can also be reached at richreilly at hotmail dot com.

Before TURP I strongly recommend PVP.  I just went through it about 4
weeks ago and am very pleased with the results.  PVP results in very
little bleeding compared to what most experience with TURP.

How old is your father and what kind of overall physical condition.

I had TUMT a bit over a year ago.  It is less invasive than TURP or PVP
but has a success rate of only 50 to 80 percent.  And it takes several
weeks for it to produce any results.

Since both TURP and PVP use a general anesthesia they can be more dangerous.

The wonder of PVP is almost immediate results.  It must be done in a
hospital equipped for it.

If you check the Laserscope site you can find a list of doctors that
perform the procedure.  I think that other doctors may also use it but
are not on their list.  What is your location.  Perhaps someone here can
recommend a good PVP Urologist.

http://www.laserscope.com/surgical/consumers/index.html
richreilly@hotmail.com - 28 May 2006 09:34 GMT
Thanks. My father is 73 and has a history of TIAs, som emalnourishment,
presumed prostate cancer due to a previous PSA of 83..(now 1 after
Lupron)..and potentially dementia or other mild cognitive disorder. The
hospital has put him back on blood thinners so although he could
potentially stop thinners for a week or so before procedure, bleeding
is potentially an issue.
He resides between Madison and Milwaukee Wisconsin.
Rich256 - 28 May 2006 15:41 GMT
> Thanks. My father is 73 and has a history of TIAs, som emalnourishment,
> presumed prostate cancer due to a previous PSA of 83..(now 1 after
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> is potentially an issue.
> He resides between Madison and Milwaukee Wisconsin.

Oh I really feel sorry for him.  The only thing I can really comment on
is that with bleeding problems PVP will be far superior to TURP.  Since
the tissue is vaporized there is a minimum of bleeding.  Have you looked
at information on PVP?  I did a quick look at the laserscope site and
see there are several PVP doctors in Milwaukee.  Also seems to be some
in the Janesville/Beloit area.  From what I have determined the UROs do
PVP if their hospital has the equipment.  It has been suggested here
several times to try to find one that has done at least 100.

My URO had me use a catheter the first night.  By the 2nd evening I was
beginning to think I would have to go back the next morning to get it
put back in but my the next morning I was at least back to where I
started.  He said with over 100 PVPs he has had only one that had to
have the catheter put back in for another day or so.

TUMT is done in the doctors office.  It is probably the most
uncomfortable of all.  I had to wear a catheter for five days and over
several months only get minimal improvement.  However, there are those
that are helped.  Since your father already wears a catheter he would
probably have to continue with it for a minimum of six weeks.  If he can
handle it I would not be surprised to hear that he could be off a
catheter in two days with PVP.
richreilly@hotmail.com - 28 May 2006 16:51 GMT
How were you able to get lists of doctors? I could access the list of
VA hospitals (one in Milwaukee) but when I tried to find doctors, I
wound up filling in a request form. If yo uhave a list somehow, please
e-mail me.
Thanks,
Rich
Chockman - 28 May 2006 17:49 GMT
Hi Rich...

Go the the laserscope site "Find a Physician"...put in your email, your
city, state...and the site will print out a list of MDs in the
Milwaukee/Racine, WI area.  When I went in, it showed about 20
physicians using GreenLight PVP. Don't click on the VA prompt.

Having gone the TUMT route in 2004, I would strongly endorse going
directly to a PVP doc instead of TURP.  My PVP recovery (2/23/05) was
far less stressful and more successful than the TUMT recovery.

> How were you able to get lists of doctors? I could access the list of
> VA hospitals (one in Milwaukee) but when I tried to find doctors, I
> wound up filling in a request form. If yo uhave a list somehow, please
> e-mail me.
> Thanks,
> Rich
richreilly@hotmail.com - 01 Jun 2006 23:31 GMT
Looks like one needs a cystoscopy, TRUSS and urodynamics test. I assume
the urodynamics test is the bladder function test my Dad laready had.
are all these required for both PVP and TURP?
Rich256 - 02 Jun 2006 00:23 GMT
> Looks like one needs a cystoscopy, TRUSS and urodynamics test. I assume
> the urodynamics test is the bladder function test my Dad laready had.
> are all these required for both PVP and TURP?

Only test my uro did was a cystoscopy but my obvious problem was only
blockage.
 
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