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Pete's Cystoscopy (Dr. Sancha please comment)

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Pete - 11 May 2006 03:01 GMT
Hi everyone,

Damn it, I am rewriting this since I just lost a whole typewritten page
(over a half an hour) due to a power outage [boy does that piss me off - no
pun intended, since I do leak :-)].  So I will have to make this shorter,
without as much background as I had before.

If you have all recovered from laughing after reading my post on the
retrograde (just sent it - and there was no harm intended to anyone -
believe me), here we go.

I had a TUIP in 1995, and TURP last year (4/05) to clean up the scar tissue
from the TUIP.  Haven't been a happy camper since (or before), and asked for
a cysto by one of the partners of the uro who did my TURP (in the interest
of two heads may be better than one - I also see the PA for massages etc).
Most practices don't let you switch doctor's, but this one does, and all the
uro's where I live are in one huge room, with a surgical suite, etc.

My problems go beyond simple BPH if you may recall.  Currently, I can get a
good flow during the day if I drink a lot, but everything shuts down at
night, and I believe my kidneys are not producing as much urine at night,
but I still have a constant urge and get up every hour just to dribble (do
not believe I am retaining, and I don't know where the urge is coming from).
You may recall my kidney post on 2/21/06 regarding this - and I have had
follow up regarding this with our Dr. Sancha.  I also have pain/discomfort
in the perineal area, pelvic floor etc, and a gnawing/eating/urge feeling -
hard to describe and not pleasant to live with.  Antibiotics and massages
don't help.  Basically its non bacterial.  I call it
prostatitis/urethritis/cystitis as a continuum, as I have said in the past.

Okay, at least that lead-in is shorter than the last one I lost :-) .

I had the cystoscopy today, and I was worried if I was going to be able to
communicate with the new doctor I asked for to do the procedure (since you
may recall I don't like doctors too much).  He was okay and I gave him a
"C".  There are no "A" doctors left anymore, except for our Dr. Sancha of
course.

I asked him if he could use the video monitor instead of the eyepiece the
previous uro used last year, and requested that they turn the monitor so I
could see it (its old equipment and they can't print hard copies of the
display).  The nurse told my they weren't going to use it, but she was wrong
(apparently I had to ask the doctor- isn't that great- what the patient
doesn't know won't hurt him philosophy).  I told the uro I wanted to rule
out interstitial cystitis (IC), and it would be nice to see my bladder on
the screen, and would appreciate it if he would describe the anatomical
parts as he proceeded through the urethra into the bladder, and he did, and
I asked questions as I was wrenching in pain :-) .  He had a problem finding
the veru and external sphincter - and was making me nervous - I would think
that would be second nature to him after doing thousands of cysto's.

I was pleased with the way my bladder looked [having seen normal (versus IC)
bladder pics googling],and there was no evidence of IC - no trabeculation,
small blood vessels looked normal, and no ulcers of any kind, and he said
the ureters looked good also.  So I got some peace of mind from that since I
have bladder pain/discomfort all through the night.

However, I was not pleased with the way the median lobe looked in way of the
bladder neck (I just had the damn TURP a year ago, and I think the other uro
may not have taken enough out).  I asked him about the median lobe (he
didn't call it that - I did) obstructing the bladder neck (it was clearly
visible as a "hump" as he called it - we have used the term "ballcock" in
here recently, and Dr. Sancha's recent link he gave us for a dissected
bladder/prostate, also uses the term "ballcock".  The uro also referred to
the "hump" as the floor (ie bottom as you look in).  There is another term
called "elevated bladder neck" that the uro in 1995 used when he did my
TUIP.

Anyway, I could see an obstruction that I thought should not be there
because I just had a TURP a year ago.  I asked the uro if perhaps the other
uro didn't remove enough and naturally he plead silence, and gave me a
wheasly answer.  I told him I could pee during the day but not at night, and
I asked him what percentage of blockage the hump was creating in way of the
bladder neck (eg 10-15%) and he said maybe 15% - but it looked closer to
35-40% to me, based on how much of the "circle" was truncated.  I asked him
how it looked overall and he said it didn't look that bad, but I was
disappointed and did not like what I saw (ie I expected to see more of a
round (circular) opening at the bladder neck.

Dr. Sancha, if you got this far, I would like to ask something.

- After a PVP or TURP, should the bladder neck look round or circular after
the tissue removal, or is there always an inherent flat part at the bottom
or floor (as a chord on a circle in geometry).  I thought your videos showed
more of a round opening after the surgery (ie a big hole).  In other words,
when a uro does a PVP or a TURP, isn't he supposed to remove the tissue in a
360 degree fashion, in order to make it look symmetrical so to speak,
similar to a pipe (ie round or circular).

Last year, I asked the uro who did the TURP if he cut all the way around and
he said yes I believe, but his surgical notes mainly refer to the lateral
lobes, plus a band of scar tissue from the left lobe to the median lobe.  He
also told me the previous TUIP made incisions at the 5:00 and 8:00 positions
and he "connected the dots" as he put it.  I get the feeling that he
connected them by burning off tissue from the lateral lobes going upward to
the 12:00 position, and that he didn't cut much between the two previous
cuts on the "floor" (and thus the hump that we saw today).

- Also, do you think that there could be any relationship to the "hump" that
we saw in way of the bladder neck, and my urge at night, but not being able
to pee, but yet I can go during the day.  I don't see how based on logic.
In other words if a person had a stricture or permanent blockage,  the
blockage would block urine *all* the time, not just at certain times.

- Are the terms "elevated bladder neck" and "hump" and "ballcock", and
"enlarged median lobe" all kind of synonymous.

I welcome any comments you may have.  Incidentally I asked the uro what he
thinks may be causing the urge feelings I have and he said he didn't know,
which is what I always get when I ask most of my doctors questions.  So my
best guess is some kind of inflammatory response, but I am not a doctor :-)
.

Sorry this is so long, but I have a difficult time dealing with all this
crap as you know, and I usually don't bother you guys with my personal
problems that often (ie I comment mostly).

Thanks...Pete
fgomsan@gmail.com - 20 May 2006 12:23 GMT
Dear Pete,

I am glad to read that your bladder looked OK. A chronic inflammatory
response should leave some kind of mark in the bladder, so I think this
should rule out inflammation as the cause of your problems at night.
You should see the chronic cystitis bladders, they look red and
hypervascular, and you can tell that something is not right...

The absence of trabeculation is against the possibility of having
bladder hyperactivity although it does not rule it out completely... I
would have loved to see the video of your cystoscopy.

I Guess you saw an irregularly shaped bladder neck. It was probably OK
when the TURP was finished, but after TURP, the prostate experiences
changes in morphology or a shape reconfiguration. It gets smaller, and
thus the cavity inside also gets smaller, and sometimes irregular. It
is very typical to see irregular prostatic fossas months or years after
TURP, and also after PVP. I had a patient who had a PVP, and I found a
small tumour in the bladder that was not seen on ultrasound. So I
resected the tumor and It was found to be a transitional cell
carcinoma. So I recommended him to have cystoscopies every three
months. And I have witnessed how a fantastic prostatic fossa after
surgery has shrinked considerably, and now he has a nice passage
(probably a lot bigger than the caliber of the bulbar urethra), but a
bit irregular. Sometimes leaving a bit of BPH tissue is followed by
continous growth of that tissue, and you can see pieces of tissue
bulking into the fossa.

You asked in a previous post about the term "elevated bladder neck".
When we introduce a rigid instrument in the bladder, we have to tilt
the scope upwards to negotiate the scope into the bladder, after
passing it through the navicular urethra (the urethra at the tip of the
penis) and the external sphincter, the bladder neck is the "last
obstacle" we have to pass. Some patients have an elevated bladder neck
and that means that we have to tilt the scope even more upwards. And
these bladder necks can sometimes behave obstructively.

But if you have a good flow during the day, this rules out obstruction,
obstructed people experience variations in their flow, but the range of
variation is very small (e.g. a particular obstructed patient could
produce flows between 5 mL/s and 9mL/s). But not what you describe, a
fantastic flow during the day, and difficulty voiding at night.
I think your problem must be related to an abnormal bladder sensation.
For some obscure reason your perceptions coming from the bladder during
the night are inappropriate, and they cause the urge feeling at night
with a rather empty bladder, and thus the flow is much slower.... But
again, it is difficult to draw conclusions based on emails and written
descriptions of a cystoscopy witnessed by yourself...

Some patients with obstructive remaining bits of tissue urinate well
with a full bladder, because the prostatic fossa is expanded, and they
notice that the flow is progressively smaller in caliber, as the
bladder empties, the prostatic fossa colapses and the bit of tissue
starts behaving obstructively. They have a good peak flow rate
initially, but then the flow gets thinner and thinner, and micturition
is prolongued. This might explain that when you try to pass water with
a relatively empty bladder the flow is not so good.... I do not know.

I am now in Atlanta, at the American Urological Association Annual
Meeting. I will see what is new and will come back to the group when I
return.

Laserscope has released a new higher power Green laser, it is amazing.
It does not use a KTP crystal any longer, but it produces the same
wavelength. It can deliver 120 watts, rather than the 80 watts we are
used to. It will allow us to operate faster and for the look of it, it
will very probably become the best tool in the planet for BPH surgery.
I will give it a go today in a wetlab on a bull's prostate, and I will
be one of the lucky urologists who will get one unit prior to
commercialisation in Madrid soon. So, there is hope for men with bigger
prostates. I think this laser will be a leap forward....

By the way, I have been very busy lately, working nonstop and I did not
have time to check the posts. So if there is any urgent need for my
opinion in the group please contact me direct at my email
fgomsan@gmail.com. I cannot keep up with reading all the posts.

I will come back with the news.

Bests wishes,

Fernando Gómez Sancha
http://drgomezsancha2.blogspot.com
Pete - 20 May 2006 18:50 GMT
Thank you so much Dr. Sancha.  You are unquestionable the best doctor I have
ever communicated with (as I have said in the past), recognizing it is via
ng and e-mail, and explain things in a manner that is way beyond "the call
of duty", and I have never seen this in my many interactions with the 75
doctors I have been to in my long medical career :-) .  You are truly
awesome, and are a tremendous benefit to this ng.

Any chance you could stop by Maryland on your way back from Atlanta and give
me a quick cysto :-) .  If you did one, I would certainly have a greater
piece of mind, than what I get from the uro's I go to.  You are the best of
the best IMO, and I certainly appreciate what you have done for the ng, and
I am sure the others feel the same.

Thanks again...Pete

> Dear Pete,
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> Fernando Gómez Sancha
> http://drgomezsancha2.blogspot.com 
 
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