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Flomax removed from Australian shelves

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Peacekeeper - 30 Apr 2006 03:54 GMT
Went to my chemist to get my last box of flomax and I was informed sorry you
need a new script as flomax has been withdrawn due to someone in the US
taking it for a similiar sounding named drug. I wonder if this the same in
the US or other countries? As I have only 2 left and this is a long weekend
looks like a rush visit to the Docs on Tuesday.

The new drug offerred is Flomaxtra same strength but slower release so the
chemist says.
Ed - 30 Apr 2006 06:44 GMT
>Went to my chemist to get my last box of flomax and I was informed sorry you
>need a new script as flomax has been withdrawn due to someone in the US
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>The new drug offerred is Flomaxtra same strength but slower release so the
>chemist says.

Well, how about that. What you don't find out by reading the groups.

You can find out even more by googling.
http://www.pharmiweb.com/pressreleases/pressrel.asp?ROW_ID=984
http://www.pharmafocus.com/cda/focusH/1,2109,21-0-0-OCT_2005-focus_news_detail-0
-364893,00.html


It seems that the change affects just the UK and Australia for now. I
was able to get my Flomax prescription renewed a few weeks ago without
any problem.

Ed
Peacekeeper - 30 Apr 2006 07:28 GMT
>>Went to my chemist to get my last box of flomax and I was informed sorry
>>you
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>
> Ed

Thanks Ed
Tony
Salmon Egg - 30 Apr 2006 19:02 GMT
On 4/29/06 10:44 PM, in article 3bj852lp06i7ofq79c99u1hm5568mq74nn@4ax.com,

>> Went to my chemist to get my last box of flomax and I was informed sorry you
>> need a new script as flomax has been withdrawn due to someone in the US
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Ed

I am not familiar with British law in this respect. (I am not a lawyer or is
it solicitor.) In the US we are stuck with patent law that almost
automatically extends the life of a pharmaceutical patent if the original
patent hold makes a modification. These need not be substantive
modification. For instance, converting to a time release version of the drug
is good enough.

It is for this reason, I can get generic simvastatin from Canada while Zocor
is still under patent in the US. My cost is about 1/3 of what it would be in
the US.

Meanwhile, Medicare Part D is a complicated nightmare generated as a sop to
insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

Bill
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Clarence Crow - 02 May 2006 07:42 GMT
>Went to my chemist to get my last box of flomax and I was informed sorry you
>need a new script as flomax has been withdrawn due to someone in the US
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>The new drug offerred is Flomaxtra same strength but slower release so the
>chemist says.

I'm from west oz and get my Flomax from the Hospital Pharmacy on the
PBS Safety Net scheme, and the last time they supplied Flomaxtra,
without requesting a new scrip.
AFAIK, only the Packet name has changed.
It's still marketed by CSL for Yamancouchi, NL and still contains
400ug Tamsulosin hydrochloride equivalent to 367ug Tamsulosin per
tablet. 30 off prolonged release tablets.

I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
Flomax.

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Gordon Burditt - 02 May 2006 08:04 GMT
>I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
>Flomax.

How does one patent a *NAME* of a drug?  In what country?

As far as I know, you can patent a drug (which will expire) and
you can trademark a drug name (which I don't think expires anywhere).

                        Gordon L. Burditt
Clarence Crow - 02 May 2006 23:49 GMT
>>I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
>>Flomax.
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>
>                        Gordon L. Burditt
Read here, nitpicker:

www.darlingtonpct.nhs.uk/ documents/uploaded/tamsulosinfinal.pdf

I forgot to add that the Flomax Capsules are now Flomatxtra Tablets, ,
the tablets are now packaged in foil cards in lieu of bubble cards,
the LWH dimensions of the pack have changed and the company
anticipates a 15% saving.

My Scrips are and always have been written "Tamsulosin 400ug", so I
still get that regardless of the Name.
My frequency of urination has not altered, nor has the release span.

Are you too lazy or just too stupid to Google for your research?


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Peacekeeper - 02 May 2006 23:50 GMT
> >I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
> >Flomax.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Gordon L. Burditt

Price went up to $59A from $50 the chemist said it is being considered to be
placed on the Pharmacy subsidy scheme here in Oz in August.
Derek F - 03 May 2006 01:06 GMT
>> >I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
>> >Flomax.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> be
> placed on the Pharmacy subsidy scheme here in Oz in August.

In the UK they are priced at £17.55 which converts to $42.37A
"Tablets, m/r, tamsulosin hydrochloride 400 micrograms. Net price 30-tab
pack = £17.55."
Derek.
Pete - 03 May 2006 00:24 GMT
>> I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
>> Flomax.
>
> How does one patent a *NAME* of a drug?  In what country?

Gordon...don't see what you are getting at here.  Any drug has to have a
*name* (ie some kind of name) in order to apply for a patent for it.  I just
tried to google this and had no luck after trying a whole bunch of search
strings.  Can you try and explain in more detail what you are saying...Pete

> As far as I know, you can patent a drug (which will expire) and
> you can trademark a drug name (which I don't think expires anywhere).

There is also a third term called copyright, and "trademarks, copyrights and
patents" all mean something different, which I don't care to get into...Pete

> Gordon L. Burditt
Gordon Burditt - 03 May 2006 01:26 GMT
>>> I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
>>> Flomax.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Gordon...don't see what you are getting at here.  Any drug has to have a
>*name* (ie some kind of name) in order to apply for a patent for it.  I just

You don't patent the name.  You patent the invention (which is not
necessarily something you can pick up or put on a store shelf.
Philips, for example, patented a way to force you to watch ads on
TV).  The invention is what's protected with a patent; the name
isn't.  I don't believe the distinction is nitpicking.

If, for example, I patent "the use of dihydrogen oxide to relieve
thirst", (someone else might patent "the use of dihydrogen oxide
to float boats in") I *DON'T* have to have a marketing name for it
to get the patent.  I might market it under the name "water".  If
you try marketing it under the name "flavor-free cola", you still
infringe my patent regardless of what you name it.

On the other hand, if I *trademark* the name "water", you can't market
anything under that name, but you can market dihydrogen oxide under
another name.

The drug manufacturer probably has a trademark on the name "Flomax"
(which I do not believe expires in any country) *and* a patent on
the formula of the drug (which is close to expiring if it hasn't
already).  They are playing games to make it difficult to switch
to a generic.

From what I understand, the drug manufacturer can now (at least in
the US) patent a slightly changed formulation of the same drug that
now has a time-release feature, and start the clock over again on
the patent on that formulation.  They want to get all of the
prescriptions re-written for a "different" drug, since other
manufacturers can produce a generic version of Flomax (and in many
countries, pharmacists are permitted to substitute a generic), which
is *not* equivalent to Flomaxtra (from the point of view of re-writing
prescriptions),

Sometimes changing the time-release characteristics of a drug are
significant and one version is not substitutable for the other.  In
any case, pharmacists can substitute a generic for a prescription
written for Flomax, but they cannot substitute a generic for a
prescription written for Flomaxtra because such a generic won't
exist for a long time.

The best thing for you to do is to get your doctor to re-write your
prescription for Flomaxtra if you can't get any Flomax, then have
the doctor change it *BACK* when cheaper generics of Flomax appear.
The manufacturer is hoping you won't go to that trouble.  That, I
believe, is the whole point.

If the trademark *and* the patent expired, then when generics appear,
they could be marketed as "Flomax", and if the original manufacturer
changed the name like they are doing, they'd be handing the entire
market over to the generic manufacturers.

>tried to google this and had no luck after trying a whole bunch of search
>strings.  Can you try and explain in more detail what you are saying...Pete
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>There is also a third term called copyright, and "trademarks, copyrights and
>patents" all mean something different, which I don't care to get into...Pete

                        Gordon L. Burditt
Donny - 03 May 2006 20:58 GMT
I got a generic version of Flomax that is extended release from
canadadrugs.com for about $80 shipped,  for 90 caps. They were shipped
from UK, and are called Prosurin XL. My insurance co. copay is $120
for same number of Flomax.

>>>> I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
>>>> Flomax.
>>>
>>> How does one patent a *NAME* of a drug?  In what country?
Derek F - 04 May 2006 00:10 GMT
> I got a generic version of Flomax that is extended release from
> canadadrugs.com for about $80 shipped,  for 90 caps. They were shipped
> from UK, and are called Prosurin XL. My insurance co. copay is $120
> for same number of Flomax.

Prosurin may be British made but it is not listed in the BNF which lists all
drugs including ones taken off the market.

Derek.
Donny - 04 May 2006 23:34 GMT
It is made by Generics [UK] Limited, Potters Bar, Hertfordshire. It
only became available a few months ago, so maybe the listings have not
been updated.

>> I got a generic version of Flomax that is extended release from
>> canadadrugs.com for about $80 shipped,  for 90 caps. They were shipped
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>
>Derek.
Derek F - 05 May 2006 08:51 GMT
I looked at the March online edition of BNF.
Derek.
> It is made by Generics [UK] Limited, Potters Bar, Hertfordshire. It
> only became available a few months ago, so maybe the listings have not
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
>>Derek.
Donny - 05 May 2006 10:15 GMT
So then, what is the significance of it's absence on this list?

>I looked at the March online edition of BNF.
>Derek.
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>>>
>>>Derek.
Derek F - 05 May 2006 12:07 GMT
It's not even listed on Generics (UK) web site.  Strange?

http://www.generics.uk.com/ab/downloads/GUK_Product_List.pdf
Derek.
> So then, what is the significance of it's absence on this list?
>
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>>>>
>>>>Derek.
Clarence Crow - 03 May 2006 00:35 GMT
>>I checked and it's purely a Feb 2006 Patent Expiry issue on the name
>>Flomax.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>                        Gordon L. Burditt
From original post: incorrect spelling of Drug company:
should be:

Yamanouchi Europe BV nl

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