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PVP: medial lobe

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Jesse - 01 Mar 2006 00:29 GMT
1) How is a determination made that there is medial lobe enlargement?
Can this be seen from urodynamics, or does it require cystoscopy? Or is
it not apparent until the surgery itself?

2) Dr. Reiter of UCLA says he will not lase in cases of medial lobe
protruding into the bladder, because of the effect on urination. Is he
right? If so, how do urologists deal with urination problems due to
medial lobe enlargement? Or do other urologists lase there? Or is it
safer to take a conservative approach, and avoid lasing in the bladder
neck?

Jesse
Pete - 01 Mar 2006 01:06 GMT
> 1) How is a determination made that there is medial lobe enlargement?
> Can this be seen from urodynamics, or does it require cystoscopy? Or
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> Jesse

Jesse...Dr. Sancha will have to answer these questions.  I hope he hasn't
left us, as I am eagerly awaiting his response to my kidney post :-) ...Pete
fgomsan@gmail.com - 01 Mar 2006 13:28 GMT
Jesse,

The median lobe enlargement can usually be seen on an ultrasound. A
Cystoscopy obviously will allow seeing it also. I do PVP in patients
with median lobes, and I vaporise the entire median lobe. It can be
tricky at times, but it can be done safely.

I do not know why Dr. Reiter would not use PVP on patients with median
lobes.

Fernando Gómez Sancha
http://drgomezsancha2.blogspot.com
Matthew Emme - 07 Mar 2006 00:46 GMT
On 2/28/06 6:29 PM, in article

> 1) How is a determination made that there is medial lobe enlargement?
> Can this be seen from urodynamics, or does it require cystoscopy? Or is
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> Jesse

You can see it when you look in with the cystoscope (preop or interop).
During a UDS you would just see it as obstruction (usually high bladder
pressure and low flow).

People with a good sized median lobe can do really well after a PVP or TURP.
Many times they can be some of the most happy postop, if that part of the
gland is acting as a "ball valve".  Sometimes they can be a little tricky to
take down with the laser, but not too big a deal.  If you are going to do a
TURP or PVP you just can not leave the thing behind.

The tough part is that you do not want to burn the bladder with the laser or
hurt the where each ureter comes into the bladder, but this is not a common
problem.

ME
Pete - 07 Mar 2006 01:37 GMT
> On 2/28/06 6:29 PM, in article
>
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> laser or hurt the where each ureter comes into the bladder, but this
> is not a common problem.

Matthew...are you a medical professional, or a patient.  And why would the
laser damage the corner points of the trigone where the ureters come in
(which is further on up from the bladder neck).  It seems that the surgeon
would have to be awful remiss to do that...Pete
 
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