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Holmium Vs. KTP

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Lee - 05 Jan 2006 04:15 GMT
Any comments on the use of a Holmium laser vs. a KTP laser in an upcoming
BPH surgery?  Patient is 57 years old and, aside from BPH, is in excellent
health.  Prostate is 45g with mild lateral lobe enlargement and very
prominent median lobe.

Regards,
Lee
Salmon Egg - 05 Jan 2006 05:38 GMT
On 1/4/06 8:15 PM, in article
S31vf.4917$M%4.526@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net, "Lee" <lee@nomail.com>
wrote:

> Any comments on the use of a Holmium laser vs. a KTP laser in an upcoming
> BPH surgery?  Patient is 57 years old and, aside from BPH, is in excellent
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> Regards,
> Lee

Within my memory, KTP is a nonlinear optical crystal used for purposes like
frequency doubling of a laser. It is not a laser itself. Let us know more
about what your KTP is.

Bill

-- Ferme le Bush
fgomsan@gmail.com - 05 Jan 2006 08:42 GMT
Lee,

I would go for a Photoselective Vaporization of the Prostate with a KTP
laser. (a KTP laser is a Nd-YAG laser that has a KTP crystal, and this
effectively halves the wavelength of the Nd-YAG laser, obtaining a
green light that vaporizes tissue effectively).

With a Holmium laser you can try to vaporize the tissue, but vaporizing
efficiency is much lower, so you can only use it in very small
prostates. 45 grams is quite big for Holmium, in my opinion. Another
way to use this laser is to try to enucleate the prostatic lobes, that
fall inside the bladder, and later have to be chopped with a relatively
dangerous instrument, the morcellator. This technique is very difficult
to learn, and has been abandoned except for those surgeons who were
able to master it after a very long learning curve.

So I would choose a PVP for myself, rather than a Holmium laser
prostatectomy.

All the best,

Fernando Gómez Sancha
http://drgomezsancha2.blogspot.com
bruferg@cox.net - 10 Jan 2006 21:49 GMT
Green Light is the way to go without question. PSA 3.7.  My prostate
was 70g. Retaining a litre of fluid. Constantly searching for
restrooms. Flomax, Uroxatrol did little to relieve. Researched various
procedures. TURP, microwave, even prostatectomy. Chose GreenLight.
Overnight in the hospital and my life changed. No pain. No long
recovery. Medicare and Blue Cross paid for all but $2,000. GreenLight
is sure to become the gold standard for resolving BPH. bruferg@cox.net
Pete - 10 Jan 2006 22:12 GMT
> Green Light is the way to go without question. PSA 3.7.  My prostate
> was 70g. Retaining a litre of fluid. Constantly searching for
> restrooms.

bruferg...If you were constantly searching for restrooms and retaining a
litre, how much were you peeing out (eg just a few ounces).  And if so you
must have felt like you still had to go, or was the urge lessoned by just
getting out what you could.  I have asked this type of thing before and have
not gotten any clear answers.

In other words, after you void (because you have an urge I assume) do you
still have the urge (only to a lesser degree) to void with the litre you
have retained, or has your brain learned to accept the litre as normal (so
to speak)...Pete

Flomax, Uroxatrol did little to relieve. Researched various
> procedures. TURP, microwave, even prostatectomy. Chose GreenLight.
> Overnight in the hospital and my life changed. No pain. No long
> recovery. Medicare and Blue Cross paid for all but $2,000. GreenLight
> is sure to become the gold standard for resolving BPH. bruferg@cox.net
Ed K - 20 Apr 2006 02:37 GMT
>bruferg...If you were constantly searching for restrooms and retaining a
>litre, how much were you peeing out (eg just a few ounces).  And if so you
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>have retained, or has your brain learned to accept the litre as normal (so
>to speak)...Pete

Pete,

Not sure if you ever received an answer to this, but in my case (with similar
symptoms), urinating relieves the pressure and the urge to go, even though
there is significant retention in my bladder. However, in another 2-3 hours
(or less), I generally feel an urge to void again. (I'm now scheduled for a
PVP next week!)

Ed K
 
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