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Update on beta sitosterol and saw palmetto

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Pete - 20 Dec 2005 00:28 GMT
Hi guys,

Here is a copy of the e-mail I wrote to Karen about the contradiction I
mentioned earlier (in one of her web pages).  Damn it I still haven't soaked
yet, and now my butt is really killing me.  I wonder if she will write me
back.  Enjoy...Pete

Hi Karen,

I would like to point out (what I consider) a contradiction in one of your
web pages regarding cinnamon, beta sitosterol, and saw palmetto - and would
appreciate your comments back.  The web page I am referring to is below.

http://www.herbnet.com/ask%20the%20herbalist/asktheherbalist_questions%20on%20ma
le%20issues.htm


In the web page, you state the following about cinnamon (which contains beta
sitosterol) and prostate cancer:

[[ Since you didn't give me the context of the answer on prostate issues and
cinnamon, I have to assume that I was referring to prostate cancer and not
just prostate problems. Cinnamon, as well as the ginsengs, cordyceps,
ephedra, epimedium, sarsaparilla and horsetail contain high amounts of a
chemical called betasitosterol, which has been shown to encourage the growth
of prostate cancer cells. Those suffering from or recovering from prostate
cancer should avoid these herbs. Of course, if they encourage the growth of
those types of cells, I'd imagine you'd want to avoid them anyway. That's
why it's dangerous to self medicate. Just because an herb has certain
qualities, (Others I have read recommend  cinnamon to enhance blood
circulation, which should aid the prostate.) doesn't mean that other
considerations can be forgotten.]]

I note that you state "Of course, if they encourage the growth of those
types of cells, I'd imagine you'd want to avoid them anyway".

Later on in the web page you state that saw palmetto is good for both BPH
and prostatitis.  Let me point out that the active ingredient in saw
palmetto that makes it effective for reducing DHT in the treatment of BPH,
is beta sitosterol (i.e. saw palmetto has beta sitosterol as does cinnamon).
I grant you that BPH and prostatitis by themselves are not prostate cancer,
but based on your comment "Of course, if they encourage the growth of those
types of cells, I'd imagine you'd want to avoid them anyway", I see a
contradiction in your recommending saw palmetto for BPH, prostatitis, or
anything else for that matter.

Could you please expand on this a little (perhaps I am missing something or
looking at it in the wrong light).  Also, could you provide a good solid
reference article (or some reputable studies under controlled conditions)
that indicate that beta sitosterol encourages the growth of prostate cancer
cells.

Looking forward to hearing from you...Pete
El Castor - 06 Jan 2006 09:43 GMT
>Hi guys,
>
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>
>Looking forward to hearing from you...Pete

Pete, did you ever here anything further on this subject?

Jeff
Pete - 06 Jan 2006 19:36 GMT
>> Hi guys,
>>
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>
> Jeff

Jeff...thanks for asking.  I was going to write you guys an update but
didn't think anyone would care.  The lady never wrote me back and I wrote
her again and she said she already answered me and I asked her to send me
another copy since I never got it (very unlikely) and she never answered
back.  Boy that really pisses me off, and I am thinking about calling her
(there is a number in the site).  So much for good customer relations and
all the herbs she mixes for people.

I believe I caught her in a contradiction (but I thought my e-mail was
polite and diplomatic), and I don't know how she was going to respond (and
theoretically retract all the stuff she said about saw palmetto - since this
stuff was relative to prostate cancer).  I would think she would care and be
concerned.  She is a damn doctor of nutrition.

Jeff, please do me and the group a favor, and copy/paste my email to her and
send it to her yourself with an explanation that I was unable to get a
response from her after two tries and that you are concerned about this
(like me) and that you would appreciate a response to get some closure, etc.
An alternate method would be to send her a brand new e-mail paraphrasing my
words (I was pretty specific if you recall), and ask her for a response.  I
would think either way should wake her up.  I am not trying to tell you how
to write, just throwing it up as a suggestion.

Please get back to us and let us know if you will do this.  I can tell you
care about this kind of stuff by all our previous posts on the Ibuprofen,
etc.  I think this is somewhat important, since a lot of people are into the
saw palmetto compounds.  Thanks...Pete
Pete - 10 Jan 2006 22:34 GMT
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
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> the Ibuprofen, etc.  I think this is somewhat important, since a lot
> of people are into the saw palmetto compounds.  Thanks...Pete

Jeff...you didn't get back to me on this.  I hope I didn't waste my time
writing it.  You sounded like you cared about the topic...Pete
El Castor - 11 Jan 2006 01:20 GMT
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
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>Jeff...you didn't get back to me on this.  I hope I didn't waste my time
>writing it.  You sounded like you cared about the topic...Pete

Pete, sorry, but I don't get by here very often. I did as you
suggested and got back to you with her reply over in the other Beta
Sitosterol thread.

Jeff
 
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