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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / January 2006Prostate massage
I have heard recently that the incidence of prostate cancer in active gay men is much lower than in heterosexual or abstinent men, and the reason is that they are routinely having their prostate glands massaged. I wonder if there is any truth to this. I went online to find a device that would massage my prostate, and found a variety of sex toys. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not prudish, nor am I gay, but my motive for perhaps trying one of these devices on a regular basis would be prostate health. Other possible routes of prostate massage are, of course, self digital massage, and with a (gay or otherwise) sexual partner. Any comments? PS: Thanks to the Realtor1, I live in Connecticut and the Doctor he mentions, Dr Michael Flanagan of Waterbury, is the *only* uro in Connecticut performing the PVP. My former uro in Connecticut told me some months ago that his group would be starting with it... and then the Medicare reimbursement rules changed. I'm not eligible for Medicare -yet- but apparently most who would use it are, and now they won't be able to pay for the device, so the Hospital where he practices cancelled their order to obtain the equipment necessary to perform the procedure. I saw Dr Flanagan about a month ago, he changed me from Hytrin to Flomax, saying Flomax was better, it had a higher affinity for the receptors of the drug than did Hytrin. It didn't matter, in fact, I had a urinary retention episode (= ER visit, with catheter) 2 weeks later. I see him again this week, we are going to decide whether or not to do the PVP. We'll see, we'll see... I'm 54, been on Hytrin for 5+ years, had 3 UREs now, counting the one a few weeks ago. It's time. I've also been on Avodart for about 2 years, My prostate has reduced down from a high of 75g to about 50g, I guess normal is about 30g. My breasts have gotten bigger, but not noticeably so, except to me. And I've lost some wieght, from about 235 to about 215, that helps. Keep in touch! -John- On 11/27/05 8:41 PM, in article jq1lo1t0nhcg0ivsponp0cb2pq4dl8dtf5@4ax.com, > I have heard recently that the incidence of prostate cancer in active > gay men is much lower than in heterosexual or abstinent men, and the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > my motive for perhaps trying one of these devices on a regular basis > would be prostate health. They probably die from AIDS or other infection long before the cancer becomes deadly. Bill -- Ferme le Bush John, my heart is with you. We have similar age and BPH condition, having BPH medicines 6 years including Proscar 1 year, size 100g, flow rate was as low as 5 cc/s with urgency, dribbling..., PSA 5, then 7 , then 5, 3 biopsy all negative, TUMT, useless. Fortunately I found this NG and decide to have PVP on last August. I am so satisfied with the outcome. My peak flow is 30+ cc/s withour any medicine. Talk with your uro about the pvp. Good luck. ....prostate glands >massaged. >my motive for perhaps trying one of these devices on a regular basis >would be prostate health. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >down from a high of 75g to about 50g, I guess normal is about 30g. My >breasts have gotten bigger, but not noticeably so, except to me. John, I forgot to reply you about the gland massage. I am pro massage but it's not easy to do it. Six years ago when my BPH was getting serious and my first uro told me I have to take medicine, Cardura, for the rest of my life till one day when I was qualified for TURP. I was astonished with the term of "the rest of my life" but followed his order. He also asked me to visit him every three month. Every time I visited him, he renewed the prescription and did DRE on me. At the beging, I wondered that he only want to make more money from my every visit, so I switched to other uro two year later. But later on, I understood that he was doing the massage. I ever asked my wife do it twice only. I am very satisfied with my pvp now. But I still think if I have a way to massage my prostate, I would like to do it. Hope some body can share their opinions on this. >....prostate glands >>massaged. >my motive for perhaps trying one of these devices on a regular basis >>would be prostate health. > John, I forgot to reply you about the gland massage. I am pro > massage but it's not easy to do it. Six years ago when my BPH was [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > But I still think if I have a way to massage my prostate, I would > like to do it. Hope some body can share their opinions on this. Pat...I believe prostate massages are mainly intended for bacterial prostatitis, not BPH (the vast majority of prostatitis is non bacterial and chronic, and then you get into terms like prostatodynia and CPPS - you can search these). Massages are intended to be done on a regular basis (several times a week, or at least once a week, or two weeks max, and certainly not every three months as you indicated from your quarterly visits to the uro). I don't believe I have bacterial prostatitis, but I have massages anyway and I really don't think they help, but its like a last resort thing (there is a theory that they can also make you worse and cause infection to spread via your bloodstream). It is also supposed to be good to ejaculate on a regular basis to clean out the prostate (so to speak) since the prostate injects its own fluids into the semen. I have read that this can also be a double edged sword, but I believe the majority of the doctors and patients say it is good, and it makes sense to me, especially if you have bacterial prostatitis. And if it is bacterial you certainly need to protect your partner (or you can masturbate). If you have BPH and not prostatitis (either bacterial or non bacterial), then I am not sure what good the massages would do for you, unless you just want to try and "clean it out". I have read about the devices that you can purchase to do self massages and do not choose to go that route, and you have to be almost double jointed to massage yourself. You can also have your partner do it, but I have been married twice, and live with my two cats now, and don't have anyone - lol . Here are a couple sites you may want to read about self massages - http://www.prostatitis.org/doityourself.html http://www.prostatitis.org/selfdrainage.html I am not a doctor, and I do not like doctors, but I have been studying medicine and all my ailments for almost 15 years now. Like I told "Spread" in this group, all the experts on prostatitis used to be in the Philippines (IMO). I do not believe that American doctors know how to recognize it or treat it (if they can identify a bacteria, it is obviously much simpler, and hopefully anti's would solve the problem, but it could take a long time - it's hard for the anti's to get to the little acini's). It is a difficult task at best, and if you think you have prostatitis it really may be something else, and you end up spinning your wheels. Hope the two sites I gave you help...Pete >> ....prostate glands >>> massaged. >my motive for perhaps trying one of these devices on a >>> regular basis would be prostate health. Pete, I learn a lot from reading your and Spread_deMocracy's recent posts in different threads. Appreciated!! I only have BPH but not prostatitis. After my pvp done three months ago, I am so satisfied. I have no any symptoms of BPH now but retro, although I know my prostate is still growing. As you said, I though massage is supposed to be good to ejaculation because the enlargement have obtused the contraction of the prostate. I will wait and see if I will massage my prostate in the near future but thank you very much for your valuable input. [SNIP]... It is also supposed to be good to ejaculate on a regular >basis to clean out the prostate (so to speak) since the prostate injects its >own fluids into the semen. ...[SNIP], unless you just [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>>> massaged. >my motive for perhaps trying one of these devices on a >>>> regular basis would be prostate health. "test About a year ago I bought a prostate massager from the internet. The first time I used it I had a massive ejaculation, never seen so much, it must have cleared out my prostate completely , after that I found it so much easier to pee, since then I use it on a regular basis with good results. >About a year ago I bought a prostate massager from the internet. The first >time I used it I had a massive ejaculation, never seen so much, it must have >cleared out my prostate completely , after that I found it so much easier to >pee, since then I use it on a regular basis with good results. ------------ What and where did you make the purchase. Sounds like it works ! Thx Z http://www.highisland.com/ > >About a year ago I bought a prostate massager from the internet. The first > >time I used it I had a massive ejaculation, never seen so much, it must have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thx > Z I bought one of these and the first few times I used it, it seemed to have an effect. After that, it didnt do much. Honestly, I would save your money. This item is marketed under several names. > http://www.highisland.com/ > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> Thx >> Z LM, keep us inform please how it works after weeks and months. Is it easy to use? Thanks anyway. >I bought one of these and the first few times I used it, it seemed to have >an effect. After that, it didnt do much. Honestly, I would save your money. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> Thx >>> Z Yes, it;s easy to use. It just doesnt seem to live up to all the hype. When I bought mine, it was much cheaper than it is now. I think the original individual that owned the patent sold the rights and the price immediately went up and all these websites began marketing it. If you do a web search for prostate massage, this is really the only device that pops up. Lots of testimonials on these websites, but I think they are a crock of beans. There is one other massager, called the Crystal Wand. It is just a piece of plastic rod curved and rounded on each end. I have never used this, but it is probably more useful than the Aneros and its spinoffs. At least you can manually apply pressure with it. > LM, keep us inform please how it works after weeks and months. Is it > easy [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>>> Thx >>>> Z Prostate massage can be dangerous. See: http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/massage.html The highisland site is primarily an advertising site for their products. You don't see any negative posts. I would guess that they remove them. |
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