Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / December 2005
Avodart vs Flomax
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Paul - 15 Nov 2005 14:44 GMT Does anyone have experience with Avodart and Flomax? Flomax gave me a constant backache, I never tried Avodart.
R & L Del. - 15 Nov 2005 17:54 GMT > Does anyone have experience with Avodart and Flomax? Flomax gave me a > constant backache, I never tried Avodart. > Hello Paul. I have taken flomax for about a year and a half, the side effects I experience is occasional dizzy spells.. The medication has worked well for me for BPH problems.I never tried Avodart . I certainly wouldn't want to deal with a constant backache. Maybe Avodart might be better choice try a google search and talk to your Euro.about the side effects..
RVer Don - 16 Nov 2005 07:01 GMT > Does anyone have experience with Avodart and Flomax? Flomax gave me a > constant backache, I never tried Avodart. I quit Avodart. It screwed up my sex life. Urologist said this happens occasionally but is rare.
Don in Tracy, Calif.
joggernut - 16 Nov 2005 19:55 GMT my uro put me on avodart about 6 mos ago. only once a week though. no problems noted. i believe it is more for reduction in prostate.
> Does anyone have experience with Avodart and Flomax? Flomax gave me a > constant backache, I never tried Avodart. Realtor1 - 16 Nov 2005 22:07 GMT I am brand new to this newsgroup but wanted to provide some input. I live in Danbury, CT and had been diligent about annual prostate exams since the mid 1990's. I was told I had an "enlarged" prostate but since my uro group did not provide me with any reason to further investigate this knowledge, I thought it was a normal part of aging (I am now 62 years of age). However, I was having some erectile problems and told both my euro and my primary care doc. Both immediately wrote me a script for Viagra, then Cialis when it became available. I hated Viagra because it made me all red in the face and the nasal stuffiness was more than I could bear. Neither of them offered to do testing to find out why I was having the ED problem and, again I thought it was a normal part of aging. However, it just got worse and them my libido started to wane as well (not good). I had no clue and was not told that it could be the result of my enlarged prostate. In February of this year, things went from somewhat okay to worse when I started having pelvic pain. I went to my euro and he pushed me off to his Physician's Assistant. They made the determination I had prostatitis and prostatodynia in addition to a 91 gram prostate. I had urine retention although my urine was clear. I was put on Levaquin and told to take Aleve or some similar product for the pain. I was also put on Floxax and Avodart. However, 1 Floxax was not enough so they upped it to 2 per day. I was told to come back in 6 months. After a few months of this, I was not feeling any better, so went back after doing a little research on the internet. I found a drug called Ultram and asked them for it so they gave it to me. This seemed to work better for the pain. I still was not happy taking all these drugs so did further research and found some prostate specific exercises to do which I did every day for months. In addition, I worked out every day for 1-2 hours and lost 30 lbs. This really helped with the pain to the point of almost eliminating it. However, I still had the urine retention, even with 2 Flomax a day. The euro wanted to do a TURP but when I found out what it entailed I said to hell with that! Further research brought me to the Greenliight PVP which had done 1 week ago in the Waterbury Hospital in Waterbury, CT by Dr. Michael Flanagan who is now my new euro. It seems to be working although I still have some pain but no the same kind of pain that I had before. Hope it works. I have a follow up appointment in 2 days so we'll see what he says. That's my story. If anyone has any questions, I would be happy to share information with them. Anything to help!
Ed - 16 Nov 2005 22:57 GMT >I am brand new to this newsgroup but wanted to provide some input. I >live in Danbury, CT and had been diligent about annual prostate exams [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >That's my story. If anyone has any questions, I would be happy to >share information with them. Anything to help! Thanks for the info. Just a little comment - that a eurologist is someone who studies European finances, wheras a urologist is a doctor who specializes in diseases of the male and female urinary systems and the male reproductive system.
Ed
Realtor1 - 18 Nov 2005 00:53 GMT Sorry Ed, I have never claimed to be an expert speller but I should have proof read my post before submission.
Realtor1 - 18 Nov 2005 00:53 GMT Sorry Ed, I have never claimed to be an expert speller but I should have proof read my post before submission.
Pat C - 18 Nov 2005 16:51 GMT I had Cardular, Flomax for many years, proscar for 1 year. It worked, no backpain or any big side effects, but lower libido. My prostate size was 100 gm. Had TUMT June 04, only helped for several months, then zero effect. Had PVP three months ago. Very satisfied although have retro. My uro asks me to have Avodart daily for 6 months after PVP. I hesitate to start to take it yet.
Joggernut, please share us more of your story.
Realtor 1, Thank you for your input. You are doing well. In week 2 after pvp, you might have mild blood urine again for 1 to 2 days then it will diminish.
Realtor1 - 19 Nov 2005 23:23 GMT Pat C: Thanks for your input. Actually, that has already happened to me. Another thing that has been happening is a feeling of irritation in my lower pelvic area. It started at the end of voiding, now it's at the beginning. I also was getting discomfort sometimes after voiding so much so, it interrupted my sleep. I decided to take Valium before I went to bed and that helped. I discussed it with my uro yesterday and he suggested I take a medication he prescribed for me that turns your urine orange (I forgot the drug name) instead of Valium. I told him I stopped the Avodart and Flomax immediately after the PVP. He said it was okay but he usually recommends staying on it for another month or so. He seems to think everything was progressing okay. I am not sure about that because I do get some strange feelings sometimes in my lower pelvic area. I do hope it settles out in a month or two. I am realistic and do not expect miracles but it certainly is disconcerting. Anyone else that had a recent PVP have any imput on what they are experiencing and feeling and perhaps, some suggestions?
Pete - 20 Nov 2005 22:48 GMT > I had Cardular, Typo - it's spelled Cardura :-)
Flomax for many years, proscar for 1 year. It
> worked, no backpain or any big side effects, but lower libido. My > prostate size was 100 gm. Had TUMT June 04, only helped for several [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > after pvp, you might have mild blood urine again for 1 to 2 days then > it will diminish. frank - 01 Dec 2005 21:04 GMT sorry i didn't check with this post sooner. since i only take avodart once a week, my story might not be helpful. i had pvp 2 1/2 yrs ago and everything so far is great. when dr laub asked me about my stream (when i saw him last spring), i said is was average, but i had no urgencies and have long retention. he then gave me some avodart samples and said to take one a day for a week, and then one a week thereafter. flow has improved somewhat, but it wasn't a problem before. my expectations are: a reduction in prostate growth. hope this helps.
>I had Cardular, Flomax for many years, proscar for 1 year. It worked, no > backpain or any big side effects, but lower libido. My prostate size was [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > pvp, you might have mild blood urine again for 1 to 2 days then it will > diminish. Spread_deMocracy - 19 Nov 2005 18:13 GMT PAUL: First, let's talk about the basics. If you have back pain...get yourself right back to your doctor (or find another one) RIGHT AWAY. That pain can be coming from any number of causes...meds, gall bladder, infected prostate, or from a coincidental strain...hard to second guess anything around back pain.
If your pain is indeed coming from the FLO, as you indicate, try one of the alternatives, (below). Other than the FLO, your prostate size might be causing the pain. And FLO won't do anything for that. But the AVO "might". If it is the size of your prostate then PVP, reduction surgery, or the slower-working, long-term use of "AVODART" or "PROSCAR" may be of use to you. Or, is your pain coming from Prostatitis, a bacterial infection in your Prostate? If prostatitis, then the pain may radiate into your lower back area.
Your doctor was standard therapy for non-prostatitis BPH symptoms by prescribing FLO and AVO. There are many studies showing the long-term, (5-yr) efficacy of this "Alpha-Blocker and DHT-inhibitor", combo therapy. Doctors have jumped on the bandwagon to duplicate the original studies, thus, making it appear that there is "lots of evidence". FLO is one of the class of "Alpha-Blockers" that lowers blood pressure selectively. According to my FIRST urologist, "just in that area", motioning to the groin region. [Oh sure! Tell that to my brain when I got dizzy; or, my heart when running up stairs caused my heart to race. Even my cardiologist didn't think of that Alpha Blockers. But my second urologist & surgeon who did the PVP, said, "Of course...the drugs lower your blood pressure...duh!"]
There are 4 FDA-approved, FLOMAX-type drugs, so, if you want to take medications for this, then you have lots of choices: "FLOMAX", "UROXATROL", "HYTRIN", or "CARDURA". There will be minor differences in side-effects, so, one might help your back pain if it is indeed originating from the med. Check the websites of the pharmaceuticals for their warning statements, if a warning sheet didn't come with your prescription.
Best of outcomes to you!
> Does anyone have experience with Avodart and Flomax? Flomax gave me a > constant backache, I never tried Avodart. Derek F - 19 Nov 2005 21:03 GMT The first time I went to see my present doctor eleven years ago was with a pain in my lower back. He immediately did DRE and discovered my enlarged prostate. Derek.
> PAUL: First, let's talk about the basics. If you have back pain...get > yourself right back to your doctor (or find another one) RIGHT AWAY. That [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] >> Does anyone have experience with Avodart and Flomax? Flomax gave me a >> constant backache, I never tried Avodart. You smiled, you spoke, and I believed - 13 Dec 2005 16:36 GMT > Does anyone have experience with Avodart and Flomax? Flomax gave me a > constant backache, I never tried Avodart. I am taking flomax after brachytherapy. (11/21/05)
I am experiencing no side effects, so far as I can tell.
But then, I am naturally clumsy, so possible dizziness might not be noticible.
To tell the truth, I look forward to taking it, since the frequency of urination goes up, and the burning goes down. I find the effects last about 4-6 hours, then the burning starts to increase.
I am drinking lots of water, juice, and coffee during the day.
j.
Spread_deMocracy - 16 Dec 2005 00:13 GMT Makes sense to me. FLOMAX is a relaxant. If you are not experiencing any side effects and if you are implying that you are having trouble for 18 hours because med only lasts for 6, then I'd suggest you go back to the doctor to see if he'd have any problem with you taking one tablet/capsule every 12 hours? In my case UROXATROL was not dong as good as job after about 2 months, so I escalated my own dosage to 1 and half tablets before I consulted with my doctor. He was totally OK with that for me, in my particular case. Your burning, I'm sure, has a lot to do with the radiation sensitivity that you notice more once the passage way tenses up after the FLOMAX wears off. All the best to you.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "You smiled, you spoke, and I believed" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote in message ...[SNIP]... I am taking flomax after brachytherapy. I am experiencing no side effects, so far as I can tell....[SNIP]...
> urination goes up, and the burning goes down. I find the effects last > about 4-6 hours, then the burning starts to increase. I am drinking lots > of water, juice, and coffee during the day.
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