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Uro opts for TURP over PVP??

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Clarence Crow - 11 Nov 2005 21:48 GMT
Hello all
(I posted this as a reply further up the list, but go no comments).

I, too, have urinary problems inherited from HDR Brachytherapy for
advanced Prostate Cancer,  performed in mid July this year. I had to
wear a Foley Catheter for almost 4 wks post discharge from hospital.
I'm on 1Flomax/day and still have probs voiding, from zero at night
(Nocturia) to about 80% at high noon, plus retain approx 250ml on a
post void Bladder scan.

Going into the HDRB, my prostate was 65cc and had previously had some
"easing" done 16 yrs ago by a General Surgeon. So, in essence, I got
Prostate Cancer on top of an old BPH complaint.

Just yesterday, I saw the Uro who did the HDRB implant and discussed
either another TURP or PVP. He opted for the TURP as he said it was
more reliable, the Gold Standard, easier to remove the correct amount
of tissue, and there were some problems showing up from the newer
Laser treatments.

Anyway, he won't do a thing until he has a look at another Cystoscopy
he scheduled for me in a few wks time.
He did comment that any re-sectioning would need to possibly wait
another 3 months for the tissue damaged by the HDRB to re-stabilize.

I'm not too confident on any of these things, but will have to "bite
the bullet" eventually dependent on his opinion/s....

Anyone else in here with a similar story?

PS: I do post more regularly in alt.support.cancer.prostate

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BB - 15 Nov 2005 07:11 GMT
>Hello all
>(I posted this as a reply further up the list, but go no comments).
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
>-- CC

I had a TURP about three months ago. My URO told me the same thing, that TURP is
the gold standard, the procedure he preferred in my case. I didn't have cancer,
but my prostate was very large, requiring me to self-catheterize 2-3 times a day.
I had been retaining 900-1,000 ml of urine according to bladder scans taken on
several occasions. He said that PVP is more likely to allow reoccurrence of
blockage in a shorter time, especially when a large amount of tissue must be
removed. He removed about 30 g. of tissue which was cancer free. At 55 years of
age, he told me I had the prostate of a 70 year-old. I spent two relatively
pain-free days in the hospital, and I'm doing very well 3 months later. No
incontinence, a stronger stream than when I was 16, but do have retrograde
ejaculation, as he predicted before the surgery, although it has not affected the
quality of  sensation during intercourse. Best of luck to you.
Clarence Crow - 15 Nov 2005 21:00 GMT
<snip>
>>Just yesterday, I saw the Uro who did the HDRB implant and discussed
>>either another TURP or PVP. He opted for the TURP as he said it was
>>more reliable, the Gold Standard, easier to remove the correct amount
>>of tissue, and there were some problems showing up from the newer
>>Laser treatments.
<snip>
>I had a TURP about three months ago. My URO told me the same thing, that TURP is
>the gold standard, the procedure he preferred in my case. I didn't have cancer,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>ejaculation, as he predicted before the surgery, although it has not affected the
>quality of  sensation during intercourse. Best of luck to you.
<snip>

Thanks for the reply. I was beginning to think you must need the
"secret handshake" to be acknowledged in this group :)

Well, as I'm already a 70yr old grandfather with a prostate the size
of a candy-melon, plus on Hormones (ADT), I don't have any thoughts
about ejaculation or which way it goes.  (maybe I'll be a 71 yr old
flasher when the testosterone "flare" returns next yr after the
hormones have departed my body).

So looks like the TURP's for me then.
I'm looking forward to pissing birds off trees LOL.


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Rich256 - 16 Nov 2005 00:41 GMT
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> >>Just yesterday, I saw the Uro who did the HDRB implant and discussed
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> -- CC

Regardless I would get the opinion of a URO who does PVP.
Laserscope site has a listing of doctors.

My experience has been that the option of doing PVP or TURP is determined
by which hospital they use.  If the hospital has not purchased the PVP
equipment they recommend and do TURP.

However, most PVP doctors also do TURP.  From what I have heard they may ask
for permission to switch to TURP during a PVP procedure.  A retired doctor I
was talking to said a friend of his (also a retired doctor) went in for a
PVP.  He was very upset when he woke up and discovered the the laser had
broke down during the procedure.  Instead of simply quitting and
rescheduling they had finished off with TURP.
BB - 16 Nov 2005 06:43 GMT
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>>>Just yesterday, I saw the Uro who did the HDRB implant and discussed
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>So looks like the TURP's for me then.
>I'm looking forward to pissing birds off trees LOL.

Yep - my stream is now like a fire hose, full blast. :-)

It's funny, I went in to my Uro's office ready to request a PVP (was pretty sure
I'd need surgery, even before my first visit). He's not only a very well-respected
Dr. here, but also a friend of our family. I guess I looked a little disappointed
when he recommended a TURP instead and explained why. He told me, with a smile,
"Hey, I get paid more for a PVP, if you really want it, but I think you'll be more
satisfied in the long run with a TURP." As early as my prostate became enlarged,
and as fast as it grew, I really didn't want another surgery in the near future.
But, I'm NOT a Dr., so get several professional opinions if you're unsure.
Ed - 16 Nov 2005 07:11 GMT
>>Hello all
>>(I posted this as a reply further up the list, but go no comments).
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>ejaculation, as he predicted before the surgery, although it has not affected the
>quality of  sensation during intercourse. Best of luck to you.

How big was your prostate?

Ed
BB - 17 Nov 2005 03:57 GMT
>>>Hello all
>>>(I posted this as a reply further up the list, but go no comments).
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
>
>Ed

Not entirely sure. Although my stream had slowed over the past 2-3 years, I
thought it was just inevitable "old-age". My problem came on pretty suddenly, with
a feeling of pelvic "congestion" and pain, then complete blockage within a few
days. I went to an urgent care facility and the doc there put me on cipro and told
me to get to a uro asap. The cipro had no effect over the next week.

Fortunately, the uro was a family friend and got me an appointment within a few
days. After a bladder scan, when he verified that I was actually retaining a liter
of urine, (the catheter insertion hurt like hell), he wanted to get me some relief
quickly. I tried Flomax for a few days with no effect while I catheterized myself
morning and evening. Getting the catheter past the prostate was extremely painful,
and took a loooong time. A second visit to the uro gave the same result - he
drained 1100 ml of urine after a second bladder scan. At that point, after going
in with a cystoscope to take a look, he told me my prostate was "huge", and my
options were catheterizing myself several times a day for an indefinite amount of
time while we played with other drugs, or have the surgery. He had considerable
trouble getting the scope past the prostate (the pain rivaled a kidney stone). My
bladder already had early signs of damage from being stretched. Believe me, by
that time, I wanted to be done with the catheters, so he was able to do the
surgery within a few days. As far as I know, my prostate was never actually
measured, except for the 30 grams of tissue removed during the TURP.
 
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