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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / October 2005Holmium Laser vs PVP
A few weeks ago I posted a question re PVP vs other laser treatments for BPH. At the time I couldn't remember exactly which laser system my uro uses (I live in a rural area; the nearest uros who do PVP live hundreds of miles away). With all the positive feedback here from those who've had a PVP procedure, I'm sold. However, I'd like to know if anyone has any feedback, negative or positive on the Holmium laser system as it applies to BPH. My doc reiterated to me that the end result will be as good as a green light PVP but of course he hasn't done any PVPs. Comments? > A few weeks ago I posted a question re PVP vs other laser treatments for > BPH. At the time I couldn't remember exactly which laser system my uro [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Comments? http://www.convergentlaser.com/odyssey.php Look it up on google..a few sites..could not find anyone who did it.. sounds like PVP.. Michael > > A few weeks ago I posted a question re PVP vs other laser treatments for > > BPH. At the time I couldn't remember exactly which laser system my uro [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > > > Comments? I am in the process of researching uro's and their preferred bph procedures. I have read and been told by uro's in Little Rock and in Harrison, AR that the Holmium laser is good for stones but not as good as the greenlight for prostate. If your condition has reached the point where you are prepared to go ahead with a procedure, everything I have read and been told points to the greenlight as the preferred device. If necessary go the extra distance to get the best. I had the "Greenlight laser" PVP. What is the difference between this and other lasers? Dunno. I suspect the wavelength (frequency) is a critically important to the prostate and therefore an essential part of a successful outcome...I am only guessing that the greenlight has been proven over time to allow better work on the prostate itself versus the bladder or the muscles in the vicinity. Here's a direct quote from LASERSCOPE.COM : "Older laser technologies attempt to treat enlarged prostate. These lasers use heat to destroy but not remove tissue. The destroyed tissue is left in the body and is expelled over time, causing urinary pain and discomfort for several weeks. Only Laserscope's GreenLight laser system uses a patented green light laser to vaporize and remove tissue, leaving a wide open channel for urine to pass through. Results and relief are rapid. Recovery is quick and comfortable..." Best wishes to you and for a successful outcome. "Mike Kapitan" <dontspam@nospam.net> wrote in message [SNIP]...I'd like to know if anyone has any feedback, negative or positive on the Holmium laser system as it applies to BPH. My doc reiterated to me that the end result will be as good as a green light PVP but of course he hasn't done any PVPs. > Comments? This compares TUVP ( not the same as PVP of course) with TURP: www.ncchta.org/fullmono/mon904.pdf > A few weeks ago I posted a question re PVP vs other laser treatments for > BPH. At the time I couldn't remember exactly which laser system my uro [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Comments? Some information about lasers. There is no date on it but I think it might be sort of old: http://www.shorelaser.com/AboutLasersMed.html The manufactures of course say theirs is the best: http://www.laserscope.com/surgical/professionals/holmium.html http://touchbriefings.com/cdps/cditem.cfm?NID=1263&CID=5 The holmium laser cuts while the PVP laser vaporizes. The "chunks" that are removed by the holmium laser are flushed into the bladder and then, for lack of another term, a blender is inserted through the catheter into the bladder and the chunks are blended so that they can be eliminated. I had the holmium laser procedure a few years ago with an uneventful rapid recovery. Years ago an MD told me that a patient should pick the surgeon not the tool. There may be a hint of "the doctor knows best" in this, but what I took from this is that the skill and experience of the surgeon is more important than the tool he/she uses. Fred > The holmium laser cuts while the PVP laser vaporizes. The "chunks" that > are removed by the holmium laser are flushed into the bladder and then, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Fred Thanks Fred (and everyone else) for your replies. Very informative. Mike >A few weeks ago I posted a question re PVP vs other laser treatments for > BPH. At the time I couldn't remember exactly which laser system my uro [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Comments? I could have had the rough and ready Holmium treatment last year but turned it down and waited to get the precise PVP this year. Derek. > >A few weeks ago I posted a question re PVP vs other laser treatments for > > BPH. At the time I couldn't remember exactly which laser system my uro [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > it down and waited to get the precise PVP this year. > Derek. Hmm, maybe that is what my first URO meant when in answer to my question if their group did laser treatments said, "It is the same as TURP". That is when I went looking for a URO who does PVP. I would even disagree with him saying that Holmium is the same as TURP. >> >A few weeks ago I posted a question re PVP vs other laser treatments for >> > BPH. At the time I couldn't remember exactly which laser system my uro [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I would even disagree with him saying that Holmium is the same as TURP. The Uro I was going to would hear of nothing but TURP, it is the Gold Standard he always repeated. When I asked him about Laserscope PVP he said that he had been to a demo of it but it is just another tool to bore a hole with. He evidently could not distinguish the difference between Holmium and PVP and referred me to a hospital that did Holmuim rather than PVP which wasted a few more months. Derek. |
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