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Question:  Anybody able to answer LOSEC question?

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Spread_deMocracy - 02 Oct 2005 14:04 GMT
On Aug 12th Derek F. passed along a question, "Anyone had prostate problems
from taking acid reflux medications?"   I found it very interesting, but  no
one has answered his question.  I used to be on LOSEC then doctor upgraded
me to a more potent PRILOSEC.   Both did little to nothing to handle my acid
reflux.  I solved the underlying problem myself and have been Los-, and
Prilo-SEC free for over 9 years.   I would just like to add any pertinent
information to my body of BPH knowledge.   Thanks in advance...
Derek F - 02 Oct 2005 16:15 GMT
> On Aug 12th Derek F. passed along a question, "Anyone had prostate
> problems from taking acid reflux medications?"   I found it very
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> like to add any pertinent information to my body of BPH knowledge.
> Thanks in advance...

How did you solve your acid reflux problem? The Losec normally controls my
acid but I still have reflux now alkaline which causes chest
pain/discomfort. I am reluctant to have a partial fundoplication
Derek.
Spread_deMocracy - 03 Oct 2005 00:19 GMT
Derek, you will need to use your own judgement as to how to approach this,
if you want to try it.   In my case, I did throw away my meds "cold turkey"
and adopted my 4 step plan below.   Here's my story...

I was totally dysfunctional: puking in the men's room at the office, wasting
all weekend trying to recuperate from what I was convinced was a weekly
bought of the "flu"--which was really acid reflux ripping my oesophagus
apart and attacking nerves in my throat making me puke, etc.  My doctor
prescribed LOSEC.  After 3 weeks my acid reflux overpowered it.   He doubled
the dosage and in a couple of weeks I overpowered that.   He flipped me to
Prilosec and that caused me stomach pains, constipation,...so I threw it all
away!  Over 9 years ago, I walked into a bookstore to buy some light
reading.  One title caught my attention and I momentarily enjoyed the sheet
irony of my situation:  "Fit For Life"- by Diamond.   In it the authors
recommend giving your stomach and your body a chance to recuperate after
meals.   There is a bunch of other stuff in the book but I ignored most of
it.

Step one:  I ate only fruits for breakfast, sat upright to let the stomach
work freely and in a natural position..as the book instructed.   Small
amounts of fruit at first, but feel free to eat small amounts of fruit every
1 hour if you are hungry.   Remember you are trying to let the stomach and
oesophagus repair itself so take small amounts of fruit.    THAT WAS THE
MAGIC for me.   I ate a cup of fruit cocktail.   That was the first meal I
ate in years that didn't cause me to feel like puking right afterwards.   A
couple hours later I ate fruit cocktail again.  And again and again for two
straight days.   I was afraid to try any other foods since the fruit
cocktail made me feel terriffic!    I had NO acid reflux the very first
night and every day and night since then.   Step 2:  I also gave up coffee
completely!   Even decaffinated.   I learned on my own that coffee is the
ONLY "food" that causes the muscle at the top of the stomach to atrophy.
That same muscle controls and holds back the stomach acids.  I used to have
several cups and sometimes coffee would be the only thing I'd "eat" for
breakfast.  "D'oh!!"   Step 3:  I stopped eating ANYTHING after 8 pm to
allow myself 3 hours to digest food before going to bed.  Not even a light
snack.  (You may not be able to do this if you are diabetic or need to take
nightime meds with food?)  Step 4:  I cut way back on the heavy meats like
beef.   I made complex  carbohydrates about 75% of my "heavy" meal.   Before
this, I used to have meats about 90% and kinda walk the veggies on stilts
across my plate.   Step 5: Until the above  regimen reduces your acid
reflux, you may need to keep your chest slightly elevated at night when you
sleep so stomach acids would have to fight gravity instead of laying flat
where acids could easily roll or drip into the oesophagus/throat and
aggravate the condition.   I did not need to elevate my bed since I felt
better that very first night.

So,...there you have it.  My 4 step plan built right from "Fit For Life".
My doctor still quizzes me about this.  He can hardly believe I have
abandoned my Lo-, and Prilosec.  I have NEVER had a bought of acid reflux in
over 9 years!   P.S.:  I now have gone back to a cup of coffee almost daily,
but an ready to give that up if my acid reflux ever does come back.

Hope this helps you out, too.   Best of luck to you.

>> On Aug 12th Derek F. passed along a question, "[SNIP] Both did little to
>> nothing to handle my acid reflux.  I solved the underlying problem myself
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> pain/discomfort. I am reluctant to have a partial fundoplication
> Derek.
Pete - 04 Oct 2005 20:04 GMT
> On Aug 12th Derek F. passed along a question, "Anyone had prostate
> problems from taking acid reflux medications?"   I found it very
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> like to add any pertinent information to my body of BPH knowledge.
> Thanks in advance...

Neither of the posts so far have addressed the OP's question (ie "Anyone had
prostate problems
from taking acid reflux medications?").

I have been taking PPI'S for eight years now (and my prevacid stopped
working last year - switched to protonix, no help - and now I am on
prilosec, which seems to be holding - went through hell).  The damn things
have caused fundic polyps in my stomach, but I can't live with out them (a
fundo is out of the question).

I have (what I call) serious prostatitis problems, but I have never
attributed it to the PPI's, since my prostatitis has stopped and come back
quite a few times since 1997, and I have always been on the PPI's since
1997- its basically non bacterial (did have bacterial in 1997).  I quit
drinking for almost a year (for stomach reasons to start with) and that
didn't help my current bout of prostatitis which has been on going since
last December.  The diet stuff is too non specific, and I have to eat (its
hard enough just to eat sometimes with my discomfort).  I had a TURP in
April and that just exacerbated my prostatitis (don't recommend TURPS).

I too would be in interested if anyone has had any prostate problems (most
likely prostatitis) from taking PPI's.  I seriously doubt PPI's would cause
BPH.  BTW, Losec and prilosec are the same thing (Omeprazole), except Losec
is Canada - so I don't know what you mean by the "doctor upgraded you to a
more potent prilosec".

If anyone has any feedback about the PPI's causing prostate problems, please
let us know.

Thanks...Pete
Derek F - 04 Oct 2005 20:35 GMT
>> On Aug 12th Derek F. passed along a question, "Anyone had prostate
>> problems from taking acid reflux medications?"   I found it very
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Thanks...Pete
I find that each PPI seems to become less effective after a period of time
and my symptoms gradually come back. A change to another PPI helps again for
a while. Nexium has been the most effective for me but after a few months
seems to dry out my mouth, throat and chest and I waken in the night having
difficulty in taking breaths. It also makes the back of my palate and throat
very sensitive and I choke, heave and bring up lots of wind when cleaning my
teeth in the morning. This has stopped again since switching back to Losec.
Some one on another NG advised taking Ginger juice to combat acid. He used
root ginger in a juicer and made enough to take a tea spoonful every
morning. Ginger was too tough for our juicer and burnt out the motor so now
I just grate about two tea spoonfuls and put it in a  tea pot with enough
water to make two cups full. It does seem to help.
Derek.
Pete - 05 Oct 2005 06:33 GMT
>>> On Aug 12th Derek F. passed along a question, "Anyone had prostate
>>> problems from taking acid reflux medications?"   I found it very
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> enough water to make two cups full. It does seem to help.
> Derek.

Derek...we are getting off the subject here about PP's causing prostate
problems, but so be it.  I tried to take ginger once, and do you realize how
bad it burns your mouth and esophagus and your stomach.  You can feel it in
all three places.  I read its great for stomach acid, but I guess you have
to get by the temporary burning first (no thanks).  The same thing applies
to raw apple cider vinegar - burns like a son of a bitch but supposed to be
great for stomach acid (no thanks to that also).

This gets into whether a food is acid forming or alkaline forming once it
gets into the body versus just being acidic or alkaline in itself (say as
you hold it in your hand).  I like the concept but ginger and raw apple
cider vinegar burn like hell initially so you can have them (lol)...Pete
Bill E - 05 Oct 2005 18:47 GMT
Hi All

This is the way I solved the problem.

I am sure glad I had my acid reflux problem before the drug companies made
it into a disease and wanted to put me on expensive medication for the rest
of my life.  My chiropractor suggested my problem was the lack of stomach
acid and suggested taking Betaine Hydrochloride with Pepsin.  That is what
your stomach makes to digest your food.  I now take one with each meal.  250
tablets cost about 15 bucks.  That is 18 cents a day and I have no problems
being caused by what I take.  I have been taking it for years because as you
age the acid production goes down.  You will see that in one of the links
below.  If I "pig out" with a huge dinner I take two.

I though you might be interested in this different approach to the problem.
I bet your doctors do not know about this!!!!

The following links should be of interest:

http://www.tasty-nuggets.com/library/gastric.acid.html

http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-194.html

Bill E

> >>> On Aug 12th Derek F. passed along a question, "Anyone had prostate
> >>> problems from taking acid reflux medications?"   I found it very
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
> you hold it in your hand).  I like the concept but ginger and raw apple
> cider vinegar burn like hell initially so you can have them (lol)...Pete
 
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