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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / October 2005

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Clarence Crow - 29 Sep 2005 21:18 GMT
Hey!

Don't you guys know how to <snip> a post in a thread?

It's a real pain in the arse having to scroll down all the previous
posts, when in reality, your just bouncing ONE ongoing question off
each other all the time.

Plus, I notice you pair also hijacked another guy's original post and
made it into your own thread!.

What right do I have to intervene?

Well, for starters, I had to wear a Foley Catheter for 4 wks, post
HDRB on my candy-melon sized BPH prostate - (72cc.)
I'm a prostate cancer patient who ALSO had BPH at the onset of my
treatment.

I've had external AND internal Ultrasounds, plus a 10 needle TRUS
Biopsy to discover my tumour.

I'm currently on one Flomax/day but Urine flow is only about 20% @
night up to 60% daytime.

Will possibly be having another, (last one 16 yrs ago),TURP in a few
months, if it's feasible. I don't believe we have PVP approved here in
d/under, and from what I've read, it's not a howling success?

Have a nice day!

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Rich256 - 30 Sep 2005 01:46 GMT
> Hey!
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> Have a nice day!

  If you follow this group you will get the impression that the results of
PVP is just as good as TURP with much less bleeding and trauma..  I have
seen only one or two posts that did not praise the procedure.

This site says there were early studies on laser in Australia.

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/106/108216.htm

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Men treated with the laser technique spent less time in the hospital in both
studies. In the Australian study, they spent about a day in hospital,
compared with three days after having surgery.

In both studies, the laser group also had a bigger increase in urinary flow
after the procedure compared with the surgical group.

Long-term follow-up is needed, say the Australian researchers, who included
Anthony Costello, MD, FRACS, MBBS, of the Royal Melbourne Hospital's urology
department
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A quick look at the laserscope site shows that they have the equipment at
The Royal Melbourne Hospital
Clarence Crow - 30 Sep 2005 21:32 GMT
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>   If you follow this group you will get the impression that the results of
>PVP is just as good as TURP with much less bleeding and trauma..  I have
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>http://my.webmd.com/content/article/106/108216.htm

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>Long-term follow-up is needed, say the Australian researchers, who included
>Anthony Costello, MD, FRACS, MBBS, of the Royal Melbourne Hospital's urology
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>A quick look at the laserscope site shows that they have the equipment at
>The Royal Melbourne Hospital

Thx for the "heads up".

Melbourne is a 3,500 mile, 1 way,  road trip for me. I'm near Perth,
Western Australia.

I'll be seeing my Radiation Oncologist on Oct 19 and the Uro on Nov 10
and will ask the question re PVP.

Some schools of thought say any "reaming" of the urethra, by whatever
procedure would possibly NOT affect the Nocturia in old bastards like
me (70) , but only benefit the flow and lessen the retention. I'll be
asking this question as well.

In the interim, I'm doing about 80% on the Flomax.


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Rich256 - 30 Sep 2005 23:28 GMT
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> In the interim, I'm doing about 80% on the Flomax.

I considered asking which side of the country you were on.

Maybe you "youngsters" can take it better than me!!  Aw, I'm only 76.
Gee, way, way back, before the war I remember I had a Pen-Pal in Lake Grace.
I still remember his name:  Erik Kirk!!

I had the TUMT last May.   The Dr. does PVP but talked me into trying the
PVP first.  I may be back for PVP.  I was helped by it but not as much as I
had hoped.  Perhaps it is just that my bladder doesn't hold as much.

I think the PVP is coming most everywhere.  What determines if they use it
here is which hospital they use.  If the hospital doesn't have the laser
they use the old "roto-rooter".  Right now my opinion is to avoid it if at
all possible.  Some have good results but others, including a good friend,
have horror stories.  The friend was in the hospital for two weeks.  That is
why I was asking a few days ago if anyone had any bad results with PVP.
Appears that some did not get the relief they expected but none said really
bad things.

TUMT is perhaps the most painful as you are wide awake and get a minimum of
pain killer.  No permanent pains but just a bunch of "ouches" when they
insert and remove things.  No after effects except after a couple weeks you
might notice tissue being ejected.  I only got a little chuckle out of the
woman who performed most of the procedure when I told her that in Arkansas
we would be legally married.
Derek F - 01 Oct 2005 01:18 GMT
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This was posted by Gordon from Ispwich in Quuensland who had the Gyrus
procedure, but again too far away for you.
Derek.
My Uro said "with retention like that and your bladder pain, I suggest we do
a TURP".
I said "I want a PVP".
He said "we do Gyrus".
I checked out the Gyrus and Laserscope sites and read much the same
material. I've also followed this group for a long time so I have a handle
on what you PVP guys have experienced.

I'm 69, ultrasound showed a 300ml bladder with 190ml retention, 85ml
prostate, large medial lobe well into the bladder, PSA 4.2, no other health
problems.

23 March at 3pm, general anaesthetic, 5pm in the ward for an overnight stay
with a catheter with irrigation and a drip. No pain.
The worst part, catheter and drip removed at 11am the next day with burning
at the tip of the penis. 5 on a 10 scale.
Drink a lot of water, have to pass 3 retention tests. Home (10 minutes away)
at 3pm.

The next 2 days. Drinking lots of water, urine pink, pain in penis tip 8-9,
Uro rang, no cancer cells in the prostate residue, sitting mostly, a little
walking.
At the end of week one, urine clear, no pain, no stop/start, no drips,
haven't learned to hit the bowel every time yet. What's a laughing smiley
look like?
My Gyrus was done in the Ipswich General here in OZ by Dr Teng who said he
had taken quite a bit of the prostate out. Nice guy.
If anyone is interested I'll keep you up to date.

Gordon
Pete - 30 Sep 2005 18:39 GMT
> Hey!
>
> Don't you guys know how to <snip> a post in a thread?

Clarence...sorry about the not snipping.

> It's a real pain in the arse having to scroll down all the previous
> posts, when in reality, your just bouncing ONE ongoing question off
> each other all the time.
>
> Plus, I notice you pair also hijacked another guy's original post and
> made it into your own thread!.

Didn't mean to hijack anybody's thread.  Just trying tofind out what was
wrong with the man, and I considered it pertinent to the newsgroup which is
about BPH and the prostrate.  New conversations spring up in various
newsgroups all the time, as a result of one person commenting on what
another person said.  Sorry if I offended you or anyone else...Pete

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