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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / August 2005

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DP - 07 Aug 2005 19:31 GMT
Does anyone in the group have any ideas on how to lower your PSA.
                                            DP
Ed Friedman - 08 Aug 2005 21:20 GMT
>  Does anyone in the group have any ideas on how to lower your PSA.
>                                              DP

The way I did it is to first find a doctor who specializes in antiaging.
 Then you must get all of your hormones in balance, which generally
requires maximizing your level of T while keeping DHT and E low.  It is
still too early to tell what will happen, but initially my PSA was 3.2.
 After two months of treatment it went to 2.6 and after four months it
went to 2.1.

I should point out that this treatment should work in theory whether the
PSA is caused by BPH or by early stage prostate cancer as shown in my
paper at:
http://www.tbiomed.com/content/2/1/10

Ed Friedman
Ed Friedman - 08 Aug 2005 21:22 GMT
Ooops - I almost forgot the most important thing.  If you are taking
5AR2 inhibitors (which you have to in order to lower DHT), you must
avoid all soy, flaxseed, isoflavenes, etc. - anything that binds
specifically to ER-beta.

Ed Friedman
Ed - 09 Aug 2005 06:23 GMT
>Ooops - I almost forgot the most important thing.  If you are taking
>5AR2 inhibitors (which you have to in order to lower DHT), you must
>avoid all soy, flaxseed, isoflavenes, etc. - anything that binds
>specifically to ER-beta.
>
>Ed Friedman

Interesting... could you provide additional info on this? References?

Ed
Ed Friedman - 09 Aug 2005 17:08 GMT
>>Ooops - I almost forgot the most important thing.  If you are taking
>>5AR2 inhibitors (which you have to in order to lower DHT), you must
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>
> Ed

Ed,

If you go to the web site:
http://www.prostatepointers.org/leibowitz/vitaminlist.10103.html
and search for genistein, you will see that this has behavior has been
observed in actual patients.

The theory comes directly from my paper (the references are in the
paper).  My next paper will try to clarify this whole issue.  But to
summarize the first paper:

1.) Mice with a genetic mutation lacking ER-beta have lots of bcl-2 in
their prostates.  I'm unable to come up with any explanation for this
fact other than ER-beta decreases the production of bcl-2 (bcl-2 is
what protects prostate cancer from apoptosis).

2.) DHT binding to the intracellular androgen receptor decreases the
production of bcl-2.  There was a direct experiment that showed that.

Therefore, if you are using any drug that lowers DHT production, you are
more dependent on ER-beta to keep bcl-2 production low.  Since the
protein genestein which is found in soy binds preferentially to ER-beta
over ER-alpha by a ratio of over 40 to 1, the more soy you take, the
lower the rate of apoptosis and the faster the overall growth rate of
the prostate cancer population.

Ed Friedman
Ed - 09 Aug 2005 17:46 GMT
>>>Ooops - I almost forgot the most important thing.  If you are taking
>>>5AR2 inhibitors (which you have to in order to lower DHT), you must
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>Ed Friedman

ER-beta? bcl-2? Apoptosis?

Anyway, I think you are saying that this recommendation is relative to
prostate cancer, not BPH.

Ed
Al - 09 Aug 2005 12:27 GMT
If you are thinking that a high PSA causes cancer, or other problems,
and that lowering it will be beneficial, I don't believe that is correct.

>  Does anyone in the group have any ideas on how to lower your PSA.
>                                              DP
 
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