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Can PVP be performed in doctor offices?

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embuu - 16 May 2005 22:41 GMT
Hello,
>From what I've learned so far, PVP can only be performed in hospitals
or ambulatory surgical centers.  Is there any reason why this procedure
is not available in doctor offices?

Thanks,
DC
Chockman - 17 May 2005 00:37 GMT
My TUMT was performed in the URO's office 7/2/04.  But when it came to
the PVP 2/23/05, the URO  told me that he needed to do the PVP in the
hospital because of the anesthesia (both the anesthesiologist, the
support equipment, and the recovery area).  I also had a septoplasty of
the nose done 7/23/04 in an ambulatory  surgical center.  In that case,
the center was set up to include the anesthesiologist and the support
equipment to do the anesthesia and the recovery from the anesthesia.  I
would think that any physician who sets up his office to include the
services of the anesthesiologist, the support equipment for
anesthesiology, and the recovery, could do it in his office in the same
way as it is done in an ambulatory surgical center, but it may be more
efficient and cost effective to use anesthesiology abd recovery services
already set up in an hospital or ambulatory surgical center.  At this
point, few URO's seem to be doing PVP's with local anesthesia.  Should
more UROs in the future do the procedure with local, likely the
procedure will be more available in doctor's offices.  I would wonder if
many URO's accustomed to doing TURPs in hospitals find it difficult to
change the way they do things when they first start doing PVPs; the PVP
is like a TURP and TURPS ARE DONE IN HOSPITALS.

> Hello,
>>From what I've learned so far, PVP can only be performed in hospitals
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> DC
embuu - 18 May 2005 07:13 GMT
Thanks for your reply.  I listened in on a Laserscope presentation last
week and the guy mentioned some doctors (not many) had doen PVP in
their offices.  He also explained that doctors get paid more when they
do things in their own offices and that's why many of them do thermal
therapies (trading off efficacy for profits).  Of course he works for
Laserscope, so I'm not too sure.

Anyone else have any thoughts?
brsher@charter.net - 18 May 2005 15:16 GMT
Some patients, although few,  might need to stay a night or two in the
hospital due to complications from surgery or anesthesia.   Any surgery
may produce complications.  Therefore, I think it's best if PVP is
performed in the hospital.
embuu - 18 May 2005 18:03 GMT
What kind of complications after PVP can result that would require
hospital stay?  Has anyone had experiences where they've had PVP
complications that would require them to stay in the hospital
overnight?

Thanks.
Ed - 18 May 2005 19:52 GMT
>What kind of complications after PVP can result that would require
>hospital stay?  Has anyone had experiences where they've had PVP
>complications that would require them to stay in the hospital
>overnight?

I believe it is common for the uro to ask you to sign a document
authorizing them to do a TURP if for some reason they need to do that
while attempting to do a PVP. So one of the complications could be a
TURP.

Large prostates are difficult to do by PVP and may require
catheterization and hospitalization for a couple of days.

Excessive bleeding is a risk with PVP (and with TURP).

There is a medical center in Vancouver BC that will not do PVPs on
prostates that are over around 60 grams in size. They do have
overnight facilities there, but apparently they feel the risk is too
great with that size of prostate for a facility like theirs. At
Scarborough Hospital in Toronto, they will do those larger prostates.
Makes sense considering their greater resources. This just shows that
there is risk and that it increases with prostate size, but most
likely there is a risk for any size of prostate.

... to say nothing about the risks attending anesthesia.

Ed
Mr. B. - 19 May 2005 18:36 GMT
"I believe it is common for the uro to ask you to sign a document
authorizing them to do a TURP if for some reason they need to do that
while attempting to do a PVP. So one of the complications could be a
TURP."

I had read that same thing on this newsgroup before my PVP on 4/1/05, so I
read the surgical authorization form very, very carefully before the
procedure.  It did not authorize a TURP - only a PVP.

Mr. B

>>What kind of complications after PVP can result that would require
>>hospital stay?  Has anyone had experiences where they've had PVP
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Ed
Artie - 21 May 2005 02:36 GMT
The doctor that performed my PVP back in February now does PVP in his
office.
He says that patients find the office environment much more relaxing than
the hospital or clinic.

Art

> Hello,
>>From what I've learned so far, PVP can only be performed in hospitals
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> DC
embuu - 21 May 2005 09:19 GMT
Art,
Would you mind sharing the name and phone number of your doctor?  I'd
be very interested in speaking with him about his PVP work.
Thanks.
DC
Artie - 22 May 2005 04:57 GMT
Dr. Binod K. Sinha
Edison NJ
908-754-9280
www.UrologyCareNJ.com

> Art,
> Would you mind sharing the name and phone number of your doctor?  I'd
> be very interested in speaking with him about his PVP work.
> Thanks.
> DC
Jim W. - 23 May 2005 23:36 GMT
What type of anesthesia does he use? Jim W.
> The doctor that performed my PVP back in February now does PVP in his
> office.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>> Thanks,
>> DC
Artie - 24 May 2005 20:48 GMT
He told me that he has an anesthesiologist in the office when he performs
the PVP and that he uses a local.

My PVP was done in a clinic and I had general anesthesia.
It made the procedure a non-event. I didn't even get a chance to try to
count backwards.

Art

> What type of anesthesia does he use? Jim W.
>> The doctor that performed my PVP back in February now does PVP in his
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>> Thanks,
>>> DC
embuu - 25 May 2005 01:45 GMT
Art, I checked the website you listed above for Dr. Sinha.  It said
that he doesn't do PVPs in his office though, but instead at local
hospitals...

GreenLight PVP™ Laser Procedure: Dr. Sinha has started doing laser
surgery for enlarged prostate as an outpatient at The Stone Center of
New Jersey in Newark, NJ, Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital in
New Brunswick, NJ, and Muhlenberg Regional Medical Center in
Plainfield, NJ. He has done several cases with very good results.
Patients can go home the same day, and the Foley catheter comes out
within 24 hours.
Artie - 25 May 2005 03:15 GMT
The web site is a little out of date. He told me about this 3 weeks ago on
my last checkup.
My PVP was performed at the Stone Center. I did have a catheter, but it was
in for 3 days due to a damn blizzard.

Art

Art, I checked the website you listed above for Dr. Sinha.  It said
that he doesn't do PVPs in his office though, but instead at local
hospitals...

GreenLight PVPT Laser Procedure: Dr. Sinha has started doing laser
surgery for enlarged prostate as an outpatient at The Stone Center of
New Jersey in Newark, NJ, Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital in
New Brunswick, NJ, and Muhlenberg Regional Medical Center in
Plainfield, NJ. He has done several cases with very good results.
Patients can go home the same day, and the Foley catheter comes out
within 24 hours.
 
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