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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / May 2005Has saw palmetto helped ????????
Has Saw Palmetto helped in decreasing urinary frequency ????????? I tried it. No help. Also tried Flowmax. Had all kinds of reactions. Decided it was time to do something. When to a URO who does both PVP and TUMT. He suggested I try TUMT first as PVP could always be done if it didn't work. Had Targis TUMT 6 weeks ago and the improvement is already noticable. I had doubts about not going with PVP as the results would have been immediate and certain, but I really have no complaints about how things are going now. Bottom line is that I suggest forgetting about the weed and get it fixed proper. Also warnings out that if you take Saw Palmetto, be certain to tell your physician as it may mask the PSA test. Makes detection of cancer more difficult. http://www.priory.com/med/saw.htm http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/ds/dsSawPalmetto.php > Has Saw Palmetto helped in decreasing urinary frequency ????????? > Has Saw Palmetto helped in decreasing urinary frequency ????????? Good question. An accurate answer, I suspect, unlikely. For years, I ingested a 'cocktail' of Saw Palmetto, Pygeum, Stinging Nettles and Zinc. I sought to obtain the highest quality of each ingredient. Over the years, I slowly increased my dosages. I'm sure I spent a considerable amount of money. Do I believe it worked? Maybe. I thought so. I wanted to think so. But, in no way could I actually prove it. Those who have read my posts describing my urinary problems before PVP would certainly question the efficacy of these herbal remedies. My conclusions: It 'may' [only may], postpone the inevitable. If your urinary restriction is such that 'a little help' - however real or imagined, seems to be acceptable; use this time to plan on locating a good PVP Practitioner. As many others have stated: 'Delaying the procedure can have detrimental effects.' James My 2c opinions: No good for those so called supplyments like James said. I am taking flomax and proscar now for year, before that was cardular for years. I did Thermatrx DOT (TUMP) last Sep 04 but no help at all. I am seeking an experienced PVP doctor now. Does any one can help to recommand one doctor in northern New Jersey? Pat You can't do better than Dr Te in NY. I traveled 80 miles to him, many on this newgroup have traveled much further. There has not been a single negative post about him in here. > My 2c opinions: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pat Al, Thank you for advice. I already found that Dr. Te work at NY Presbyterian Hospital in E 68th Street. My insurance is UnitedHealthCare but he is not within the doctor list. Would you please tell me how much he charge for one visit and PVP sugery. Rgds, Pat pc2121@optonline.net Several visits, urodynamic testing, cystoscopy, and the procedure totaled around 21,000. I had insurance so I didn't pay near that much. I suggest that you call his office and ask them about your insurance, they will know for sure. > Al, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Rgds, > Pat pc2121@optonline.net Regariding awa palmetto- I'v been taking 160mg twice a day (GNC ultra saw palmetto formula) and after about 2 months I did start to notice a slight improvement in both volume and ease of starting flow. >Several visits, urodynamic testing, cystoscopy, and the procedure >totaled around 21,000. I had insurance so I didn't pay near that much. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> Rgds, >> Pat pc2121@optonline.net Saw palmetto by itself has not helped me. Saw palmetto in conjuction with other ingredients has helped. I take Prosta-metto issued by The Vitamin Shoppe. In addition to saw palmetto it has pygeum, pumpkin seed oil, zinc, B-6, and uva ursi. Whatever you take, be sure the saw palmetto has 85-95% fatty acids and 160mg saw palmetto. This amount has been tested to be effective. I had a pvp 2 years ago. The surgery won't stop your prostate from growing. I'm taking avodart and saw palmetto to control the growth. As a cautionary note, anyone taking any supplements should check with their doctor to obtain their approval. i have had pvp. my uro suggested saw palmetto to restrict regrowth of gland. > Has Saw Palmetto helped in decreasing urinary frequency ????????? > Has Saw Palmetto helped in decreasing urinary frequency ????????? Definitely. I rarely get up during the night now - maybe once or twice a week as opposed to 4 times or more a night previously. I take 6000mg a day though. 6000 mg a day??!!! That's about 40 times the dosage recommended. Wow! Mr. B >> Has Saw Palmetto helped in decreasing urinary frequency ????????? > > Definitely. I rarely get up during the night now - maybe once or twice a > week as opposed to 4 times or more a night previously. I take 6000mg a day > though. It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage in reality? > 6000 mg a day??!!! That's about 40 times the dosage recommended. Wow! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> week as opposed to 4 times or more a night previously. I take 6000mg a >> day though. >It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage in >reality? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> week as opposed to 4 times or more a night previously. I take 6000mg a >>> day though. Several clinical studies have shown that saw palmetto is effective. That is not to say that it works for everyone, but overall the evidence is that it can be nearly as effective as proscar (which also does not work for everyone. The usual recommended dose based on those studies is 160 mg twice a day. Ed >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage in >>reality? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Ed Once more, then - it is a "home remedy" thing. How could there be a "recommended dosage" in reality? > >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage in > >>reality? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Once more, then - it is a "home remedy" thing. How could there be a > "recommended dosage" in reality? It is written on the bottle. >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage in >> >>reality? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> > It is written on the bottle. THIRD time then - it is a "HOME REMEDY" thing. How could there be a "recommended dosage" in reality????????? > >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage in > >> >>reality? [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > THIRD time then - it is a "HOME REMEDY" thing. How could there be a > "recommended dosage" in reality????????? It is not a "Home Remedy" as such. As stated above it is the dosage recommeded as a result of several clinical studies. It has never been tested and approved by the FDA for U.S. consumption. Their findings do not apply for the rest of the world. >> >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage in >> >> >>reality? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >> > It is not a "Home Remedy" as such. OK if that is the case, name me the country that prescribes it - western hemisphere one I mean. > As stated above it is the dosage > recommeded as a result of several clinical studies. It has never been It is a HOME REMEDY thing and as such there can be NO recommended dosage. The studies done on SP that have recommended doses? Show me where any equivalent to the American FDA (or that body itself) has decided it should be a doctor prescription issued drug. > tested and approved by the FDA for U.S. consumption. Their findings do > not > apply for the rest of the world. So what? They recommended Ethoxyquin for around 40 years before banning it for human consumption. Still available for animal consumption, though. The FDA doesn't HAVE to approve stuff that is brought in as a home remedy unless they get a lot of complaints. Some things people take make me wonder if they have a death wish - Botox for example - but stuff that passes into general consumption may or may not be regulated. Saw Palmetto isn't regulated in any western hemisphere country of which I am aware (which means I don't know everything) thus there can be no recommended dose. > >> >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage in > >> >> >>reality? [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > regulated in any western hemisphere country of which I am aware (which means > I don't know everything) thus there can be no recommended dose. Do those requirements need to be there to have a "recommended dose". Most every over the counter herb has some recommended dose. As for Saw Palmetto, just do a google on "Saw Palmetto" "Recommended Dose" and you will get thousands of hits all having recommended doses in the same range. >> >> >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage > in [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > Do those requirements need to be there to have a "recommended dose". Most > every over the counter herb has some recommended dose. A recommended dose is like aspirin, for example, which really IS regulated to an extent. It is able to be bought most anywhere BUT if overused can cause your guts to split apart and your liver to die etc. THOSE are what "recommended dose" are for. Ginko Biloeba, Saw Palmetto, you name it. They do have effects on you but they arent regulated in any way so no "recommended dose" on any label is anything more than the seller's attempt to make people feel safe taking it. The dose for Saw Palmetto, for example, that is written on the bottle, is ineffective. FAR too small to do anythng other than prepare your body to receive larger doses down the track assuming you arent allergic to it, which some people are. You do NOT want to go taking as much as I do without first having tried it in small quantities because of the allergic reaction some can have and because of the sickness in the stomach almost all people have. I had it and I would have been retching if I tried to take that larger amount I take before getting my body used to it. Took about 3 weeks to get used to it, too. > As for Saw Palmetto, just do a google on "Saw Palmetto" "Recommended Dose" > and you will get thousands of hits all having recommended doses in the > same > range. Sure you will but of course it isn't correct. Just because something is on a web site doesn't make it true! > >> >> >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended dosage > > in [quoted text clipped - 97 lines] > Sure you will but of course it isn't correct. Just because something is on a > web site doesn't make it true! So what is your point? If all the companies that make something say to use a given amount, do you often ignore what they say and take 10 times as much? Since European doctors tell their patients to take the same dosage as recommended by the companies, should we just ignore what they say? > > >> >> >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended > dosage [quoted text clipped - 122 lines] > Since European doctors tell their patients to take the same dosage as > recommended by the companies, should we just ignore what they say? Correct wording perhaps should be "Suggested Use" >> >> >> >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended > dosage [quoted text clipped - 130 lines] > a given amount, do you often ignore what they say and take 10 times as > much? I made my point over and over. You just dont want to accept it. Saw Palmetto is not a regulated medicine so saying there is a "recommended dose" is like selling a bag of confectionery to a kid with a label on it saying "we recommend one piece every 12 hours". It isnt regulated because Saw Palmetto is a home remedy, not a medicine prescribed by a doctor. > Since European doctors tell their patients to take the same dosage as > recommended by the companies, should we just ignore what they say? In short, yes. If you believe everything your doctor says, then you are your own worst enemy. My doctor told me that I needed an operation for sleep apnea. So, I checked out medical web sites on studies done on that operation and hit him with the results. He rang USA and talked to people he knows there and found out I was right and then set HIMSELF straight. Aspirin in small doses kills some people. Confectionery in small doses makes some people sick. If you don't listen to your own body, you are going to lose it. Gut: May I humbly request that you caress and idea; not strangle it. Mel >>> >> >> >>It's a home remedy thing. How could there be a recommended >>> >> >> >>dosage [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > Sure you will but of course it isn't correct. Just because something is on > a web site doesn't make it true! May I humbly suggest you translate that into English? I know it is bad of me but that is the only language in which I am fluent! > Gut: > [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] >> Sure you will but of course it isn't correct. Just because something is >> on a web site doesn't make it true! |
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