Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate BPH / March 2005
Problem passing water during the night only.
|
|
Thread rating:  |
B. Conners - 11 Mar 2005 09:31 GMT Hi,
Why is it that I have no problem passing water during the day, yet I wake-up three times during the night needing to go and then only manage a trickle? And even that takes a long time and a lot of coaxing.
Then in the morning after moving around for approx. half an hour, everything works normal again.
Has anybody experienced this problem?
John
Andy - 11 Mar 2005 13:21 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John Hi John I did have a similar problem getting up 3-4 times a night. Now, two months after PVP, it is once a night. Andy
Ron - 11 Mar 2005 21:30 GMT John, I have had something like what you described. Particularly after my first PVP and before the 2nd, my pee during the night and first morning pee had a weaker flow. There is still a little of that, but generally my flow is good. I always thought that the bladder muscles need to wake up a bit to perform optimally, or the urine needs to get sloshed out of the crevices of the bladder in which they got comfy during the night. But maybe it's due to hormones that activate at different times (or kidney activity), or some reason that I never thought of. When I asked my Uro way back, he said he didn't know the reason. Ron
> From: "B. Conners" <bconners@spamtrap.com> > Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > John daddyo - 11 Mar 2005 23:56 GMT >> From: "B. Conners" <bconners@spamtrap.com> >> Organization: Melbourne PC User Group Inc [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> John Hello John,
That was exactly my situation before PVP last August. I assumed it was normal i.e. the bladder muscles are hard to get going in the morning just like any other when you get older ( I am 68 ) Just drip,drip,dibble.
After PVP the flow is many times better but in the early hours of the morning the flow is still less, maybe only 70%.
Like you say,after half an hour of activity,everything is fine again.
To sound a warning, I ended up with complete retention in the middle of the night, off to the Emergency Ward then a catheter for 4 days.Only once,but that was enough. Before the PVP Op I kept retention at bay for 5 weeks by walking for half an hour before bed at midnight and setting the alarm to go off every 2 hours to empty the bladder 3 times a night.
Best Wishes Richie
Ed - 12 Mar 2005 02:59 GMT >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Has anybody experienced this problem? My uro told me that it is common for flow to be slow at night. He didn't explain why, but must have to do with the state of the prostate, because this is an issue for those of us that have BPH.
Like you, my flow is a bit slower at night.
More significantly for me is that flow is even slower when my bladder is full, and if it is a bit overful, I go into complete retention. So when I need to pee the most, I can't pee at all.
During the day I don't get overfull, I just go to the john (I have some urgency)... but at night, I can sleep until the bladder is too full for comfort. Then flow is extremely slow and intermittent (peeing maybe 5 mL every 4-5 minutes until the bladder is less full). It can take 1 1/2 hours before I'm peeing normally again. Not fun at 4 in the morning. At times, I can't get control -- I guess because the body is producing more urine than I can void -- and then I'm blocked up.
I'm really wondering if anyone else has something similar.
Ed
Lee M. - 12 Mar 2005 03:16 GMT I asked my uro about this because it's the same with me (don't have the problem at night though). He said as the bladder stretches it loses elasticity so when it gets overstretched, there isn't much strength left to squeeze which is why the flow is slow when you wait too long.
> More significantly for me is that flow is even slower when my bladder > is full, and if it is a bit overful, I go into complete retention. So > when I need to pee the most, I can't pee at all. James - 12 Mar 2005 04:35 GMT > More significantly for me is that flow is even slower when my bladder > is full, and if it is a bit overful, I go into complete retention. So > when I need to pee the most, I can't pee at all. The above was exactly the reason I went looking for a PVP procedure.
James
Ed - 12 Mar 2005 16:06 GMT >> More significantly for me is that flow is even slower when my bladder >> is full, and if it is a bit overful, I go into complete retention. So >> when I need to pee the most, I can't pee at all. > >The above was exactly the reason I went looking for a PVP procedure. And how effective was it in solving the problem?
Ed
James - 12 Mar 2005 16:55 GMT > And how effective was it in solving the problem? Totally!
James
Derek F - 20 Mar 2005 01:42 GMT > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > John One of the more intelligent urologists gave me an answer to that.... Gravity. Derek.
B. Conners - 20 Mar 2005 11:06 GMT > One of the more intelligent urologists gave me an answer to that.... > Gravity. > Derek. There are intelligent urologists?
Sol - 20 Mar 2005 13:59 GMT >> One of the more intelligent urologists gave me an answer to that.... >> Gravity. >> Derek. > >There are intelligent urologists? You are the first to suggest otherwise - but then you are typical of the feeble-minded, confused, dimwits who combine ignorance with excessive contributions to NGs.
Ed - 20 Mar 2005 17:55 GMT >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >One of the more intelligent urologists gave me an answer to that.... >Gravity. I have urgency, so during the day my system makes sure I pee when I need to. If for some reason I don't or can't (for instance, stuck in the dentist's chair), then my bladder gets over-full and then I have very slow flow, and it takes much effort and time to get the system back under control.
At night I don't have urgency because I am asleep. Therefore sometimes I wake up overfull, and then I am in trouble with very slow flow. On occasion I've gone into retention.
The nocturnal problems are much worse if the total volume of pee during the night is a lot. The effect is more than I would have expected. So, if I produce only 200-300 mL, I get up maybe once and flow is good. But if I make 800 mL, then I get up 3-4 times and can experience great discomfort each time.
I used to think there was something about night time that made it worse, and I still think that might be a factor, but for me overfilling of the bladder is probably more important. One time I woke up with a very full bladder at exactly the time the alarm went off, and had much difficulty for 1 1/2 hours during the broad daylight of early morning.
Just my experience...
Ed
Repeating Rifle - 20 Mar 2005 19:38 GMT >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Gravity. > Derek. I realize that Newtonian thought had gravity accounting for the macroscopic behavior of the universe. Now I just found out that it also describes relatively microscopic behavior of my bladder. I still need a translation from the Latin so that I can understand.
Bill
Derek F - 21 Mar 2005 02:01 GMT >>> Hi, >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Bill Unfortunately this urologist was Asian not Roman and his answer was one word "Gravity" Derek.
|
|
|