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promethazine and codeine

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acid reign - 03 Jun 2004 10:02 GMT
i have, for quite a while now, been trying to elucidate the actual mechanism
by which promethazine potentiates the effects of codeine.
im lead to believe that its pharmacokinetic in origin.
promethazine is a CYP2D6 inhibitor, which would imply that it inhibits
CYP2D6 mediated metabolism of codeine >> morphine.
so why is it a potentiator of codeine?
i found something on pubmed implicating promethazine as an inducer of CYP2D6
(aswell as an inhibitor,) but that would only explain codeine potentiation
by pretreatment, not concurrent administration.
diphenhydramine and assorted other anticholinergics and antihistamines
increase the effects of narcotics via a proposed (but not mentioned)
pharmacodynamic pathway. (from http://adhpage.tripod.com/potentiators.htm
which is where im getting some of my info from)
the above site also cites quinine as a potentiator, however ive found
elsewhere that quinine administration will block 2D6 activity and therefore
codeine metabolism >> morphine. this leads me to doubt the reliability of
the explanations of potentiator mechanisms on this site.
a friend on IRC just mentioned something to do with blood-brain-barrier
permeability of narcotics being enhanced by promethazine. he cant provide
any worthy refefences at the moment though, citing 'too wasted on codeine
and promethazine to give a sh.t right now' as his reason. ill post the refs
for this as an addendum if he decides he wants to find them

there is also the other possibility that codeine's analgesic effect is quite
significantly a result of its (proposed) active metabolite
codeine-6-glucuronide.
morphine-6-glucuronide is apparently ~50x more potent than morphine. more
research apparently needs to be done (and may have been done by now) on
codeine-6-glucuronide and its properties. maybe promethazine interacts with
it...
id be interested to find out whether morphine-6-gluc is actively transported
thru the blood-brain-barrier - or if not, how does it get through, the gluc
group being quite polar....
machine99 - 03 Jun 2004 17:51 GMT
Promethazine potentiates opiates by it's anticholinergic and antihistaminic
action.... nothing special

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Andyfothershops - 03 Jun 2004 19:14 GMT
> i have, for quite a while now, been trying to elucidate the actual mechanism
> by which promethazine potentiates the effects of codeine.
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> thru the blood-brain-barrier - or if not, how does it get through, the gluc
> group being quite polar....

some potentiaters work by blocking or slowing metabolism, i.e more of the
drug when oraly administrated gets into your blood. No matter the
administration method, it also stays there longer.
IMO its better just to take more of the opiate, thats the only guaranteed
way to get higher, you certainly dont want to pollute any opiate high with
shitty groggy antihistamines.
scoobie - 03 Jun 2004 12:12 GMT
>>i have, for quite a while now, been trying to elucidate the actual
>
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> way to get higher, you certainly dont want to pollute any opiate high with
> shitty groggy antihistamines.

This question IS NOT related to codeine
but is sorta On topic:
With these potentiators, do they work for
IV administration of the opiate as well??
(REMEMBER, this DOES NOT refer to codeine, cause we all know
that you DO NOT do it)
So does anyone know?

thanx
--scoobs--
acid reign - 04 Jun 2004 09:47 GMT
codiene is a prodrug for morphine. about 10% of the codeine that gets
absorbed from your GI tract gets metabolised to morphine. which means that
more metabolism by CYP2D6 is advantageous. the enzyme that performs this in
the liver can get saturated. you might have heard of the 'ceiling dose' of
codeine being 400-500mg. so if the codeine had 100% oral bioavailability
(which it doesnt,) the most morphine you can get into your bloodstream is
40-50mg, which is not enough to get high. which is why potentiation is
useful. if i had access at the moment to better opiates, i'd be taking
them - but i dont.

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> > some potentiaters work by blocking or slowing metabolism, i.e more of the
> > drug when oraly administrated gets into your blood. No matter the
> > administration method, it also stays there longer.
> > IMO its better just to take more of the opiate, thats the only guaranteed
> > way to get higher, you certainly dont want to pollute any opiate high with
> > shitty groggy antihistamines.

meh.

> This question IS NOT related to codeine
> but is sorta On topic:
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> thanx
> --scoobs--

dont bother.
Emma Chase VanCott - 04 Jun 2004 18:08 GMT
In sci.med.pharmacy acid reign <tek_ages@takethisouthotmail.com> wrote:

: codiene is a prodrug for morphine. about 10% of the codeine that gets

Codeine is AKA "methyl morphine".
 
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