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Gift for new Pharmacy Student

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Jack - 07 Jun 2004 17:03 GMT
Hello,

My nephew is starting Albany College of Pharmacy in the fall.  I am
looking for a appropriate gift for him.  Since he is great with
computers, I was thinking of pharmacy related software or similar.  He
mentioned the software Mathematica, but I see it costs $1500.  That's
a bit much.

Any suggestions or ideas would be welcome.

Thank you.

koppja@yahoo.com
CaptainKrunch - 07 Jun 2004 18:33 GMT
In the real world he won't need any software to do his job, and I am not
sure how he would actually utilize software on the job. The only information
he will most likely need, depending on his job, will be the books that the
employer provides for their business.

Save your money.

CaptainKrunch

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Jack - 08 Jun 2004 14:36 GMT
I appreciate your response, but I think you missed the fact that he
will be a freshman in college this fall.  I'm looking for a good gift
that might help him in school, not his job.

Regards,

Jack

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Me - 08 Jun 2004 02:15 GMT
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Unless he is wanting to go into research and get deeply involved in
statistics, Mathematica would be of absolutely no use (or at best it would
be EXTREME overkill).

Besides, as a student, software packages such as Mathematica, and
practically any other software package, can be bought in Academic versions
usually at very substantial savings through the school's bookstore or
sites such as creationengine.com.

If he is tech savvy, or especially if he could be described as a computer
geek, I would highly advise against buying him anything he hasn't
expressed a very specific interest in. Techies are usually highly
opinionated regarding what exactly they like, and 9 times out of 10, tech
gifts given to such a person won't be the model they would purchase for
themselves, or worse, may not work with the operating system they use, etc.

You didn't say how much you did want to spend.

Best gift I could think of is a PDA if he doesn't have one
already, but you're looking at probably $300-500 without software. Being a
computer geek myself, I was one of the few in my class who had one to
start off with. By the end of the 4 years, I think everyone in the class
had one. There are several pharmacy reference programs that are available
for PDA devices that are very handy (Lexi, epocrates, skyscape,
johns-hopkins, ABPk, etc) and sometimes these software packages can be had
for free or at a discount through the school.

If you could find out exactly what he would want along those lines, you
could purchase one for him, but heed the previous warning. Do you know if
he would want a Palm or, God forbid, a WinCE device? Do you know the exact
model he would like to have? Do not go with the cheapest on the shelf.
Pharmacy reference programs take up significant amounts of memory, and a
very low-end model can be nearly useless if he wants to use more than
1 or 2 of the available databases. If you have any doubt as to which one
he would like, do him and you a favor, and go either with a gift
certificate or cash. While some may mistakenly consider either of these a
boring and/or less thoughtful gift, it beats the heck out of a
well-meaning gift that needs to be returned/exchanged.

If you want to make it more personal and live in the same area, take
him to the store to pick one out.

If he already has a PDA, or you want to spend less than
the $300 or so needed for a decent PDA, consider a gift certificate at the
bookstore. It could be used to help purchase the required, and expensive,
texts, or his choice of software at student discounts.

Just my 0.02
Jack - 08 Jun 2004 14:48 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to respond.

I am in the computer field, so I totally know where you are coming
from.  I can't tell you how many worthless computer gifts I have been
given.  (points to them for trying)

The PDA is a decent idea.  Did you use it to take notes, reminders of
assignments, exams, etc..?

He has his heart on a killer Alienware laptop.  He's smart enough to
know he plays and downloads too much crap off the internet, which he
does not want to do on his mandated school computer.  But, he's not
frugal enough to know that his $4000 laptop will be worth $50 in a few
years..  Not exactely a good investment.  So I refuse to help him
finance that toy.

The gift certificate to buy books may be a very practial idea too.  I
found a website selling mortar sets which might be a good "thoughtful"
gift for him to actually open.

Well, thanks again for the advice.

Jack

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Me - 09 Jun 2004 02:19 GMT
> The PDA is a decent idea.  Did you use it to take notes, reminders of
> assignments, exams, etc..?

There was one girl in our class who started out one year taking lecture
notes on a PDA with folding keyboard. It didn't last long. Try as anyone
might to prove otherwise, a pen and old fashioned paper is still by far
the best way. Was the PDA useful for other various notes? Sure, but not
lecture notes.

It did come in handy for keeping track of test dates, clinics,
projects, etc.

Where it really shined IMO is for using it as a reference not only for
assignments, but also for work outside of school, for volunteer clinics
during the first 3 years, and during the entire last year's rotations.

There are a number of good references for PDAs. Many, if not most, of the
traditional print references are now available for PDAs. Last year a group
of students got together and bargained for discounted licensing fees for
Lexi-Complete (lexi.com). Pretty decent set of references. It includes a
couple that I never used, but it's better to have a little too much
information at your disposal than not enough, especially when that
information takes up no more physical space and doesn't mean toting around
another 2" thick "pocket" reference book.
Ruben Safir - 10 Jun 2004 11:53 GMT
> I was one of the few in my class who had one to
> start off with. By the end of the 4 years, I think everyone in the class
> had one. There are several pharmacy reference programs that are available
> for PDA devices that are very handy (Lexi, epocrates, skyscape,
> johns-hopkins, ABPk, etc) and sometimes these software packages can be had
> for free or at a discount through the school.

Did you read the licesne for epocrates?  I was reading it yesterday at the
hospital.  It renders the product virtually useless because your excluded
from repoducing any of the data from it, even into a report or
presentation.

Ruben
Richard Molitor - 08 Jun 2004 03:48 GMT
Hello,

An excellent piece of software is Clinical Pharmacology.  It's a good
reference source and even generates quizzes for the extremely motivated.  I
share the skepticism about going the PDA route now.  The on-line version is
pretty inexpensive relative to other programs (ie. Micromedex subscriptions)
but it's very thorough and updated frequently.  You can preview the product
at:

http://cp.gsm.com/

Best wishes!

Richard Molitor, R.Ph.
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/pharmacist

P.S.   there are other on-line references available via links from my web
site.

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Jack - 08 Jun 2004 15:46 GMT
Richard,

I took your suggestion and contacted GSM.  Turns out, Albany College
licences the product for all their pharmacy students.  Good news, but
now I need to think of something else.  :<   haha

Jack

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Ruben Safir - 10 Jun 2004 11:50 GMT
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> mentioned the software Mathematica, but I see it costs $1500.  That's
> a bit much.

Oh that's ridicules...

Get him a copy of SUSE Linux and break him of his expensive proprietary
solftware addiction.

He'll thank you later

Ruben
 
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