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Medical Forum / General / Pharmacy / June 2004Pharm.D vs. BSc. Pharm for hospital carreer....
Hi, I'll be graduating next year with a BSc. in Pharmacy. I'm thinking about working in a hospital after I graduate. Do you think obtaining a PharmD. would help me in my carreer? Or would a BSc. + 1 year postgraduate hospital residency suffice? A Pharm.D is another 2 years of studying and at least 20k in expenses so I'm a bit wary towards the whole idea lol Thanks for any advice on the subject, Sam >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Sam ======================================= Personally I have no use for a Pharm D ...and again personally I have NOT honestly seen any difference in the practical "Real World" performance, in the work place, of Pharmacists with a Pharm D degree or those with regular degree,..... THAT SAID..... I also feel like there is no such thing as too much education... IF you have the means (money) and can afford the time (much harder to come by then money) then by all means pick one or the other Just my opinion ...based on almost 40 years of experience... Bob Griffiths Let me give you a more non-biased opinion based on Job offerings as opposed to what I have seen in the past, and present. Many hospital job offerings today require the applicant to have a Pharm.D. degree. For some of the more sought after clinical positions many of the job offerings require a Pharm.D. plus a Clinical Residency. Although u may be able to find some decent jobs in some hospitals with a B.S. degree only you will be at a big disadvantage, and even moreso in the future. If you go into the hospital pharmacy job market with a B.S. only, then the Pharm.D.'s will thank you for lessening their competition. Very Truly Yours. I graduated with a PharmD in '02 (didn't have the choice), but if I did, I would have just gotten the bachelor's and then done at least 1 year of residency. The problem with PharmD's is that everybody newly graduating has them now, so they're nothing special. Residencies though, are. I can tell you you'll learn a lot more from a residency than clinical rotations, and get paid! Unless you really don't know what you want to go into, go for the residency at the end of your BS coursework. Mike > Let me give you a more non-biased opinion based on Job offerings as opposed > to what I have seen in the past, and present. Many hospital job offerings [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > market with a B.S. only, then the Pharm.D.'s will thank you for lessening > their competition. Very Truly Yours. >I graduated with a PharmD in '02 (didn't have the choice), but if I did, I >would have just gotten the bachelor's and then done at least 1 year of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Mike Are there any schools left who are offering a BSc? But as for the dgree. I've been in hospital pharmacy for 30 years. I've seen BSc pharmacists who can knock the socks off of some of the new PharmD's. There once was a time when a PharmD meant something. It doesn't anymore. With the PharmD being the entery level degree, all it means is that you have graduated from a pharmacy school. Even your retail pharmacist will be a PharmD. There is a university hospital in my area where most of the BSc's who weren't going back to school for a PharmD were forced out. The standing joke is that you have to be 20-something and blonde to work there. And that's from MD's and PA's who work at that hospital. I work at another large hospital where they value you for what you know. I'm 55 and we have 5 other pharmacists who are older than I am. We have one woman who works 1 or 2 evenings a week. She is 72 years old. We have a mix of both degrees as staff phamracists. We do have several clinical specilists who have had resedencies. Just my 2 cents worth. _ (_) Daniel Warren, RPh _______// Marion NY (________) Clinical Pharmacist \ / dwarren2@rochester.rr.com | Rx | /______\ (________) >But as for the dgree. I've been in hospital pharmacy for 30 years. I've seen >BSc pharmacists who can knock the socks off of some of the new PharmD's. >There once was a time when a PharmD meant something. It doesn't anymore. >With the PharmD being the entery level degree, all it means is that you have >graduated from a pharmacy school. Even your retail pharmacist will be a >PharmD. That has been my experience also... and you are correct that now Retail Pharmacists have a Pharm D ... only because there is no other degree... >There is a university hospital in my area where most of the BSc's who weren't >going back to school for a PharmD were forced out. The standing joke is that >you have to be 20-something and blonde to work there. And that's from MD's >and PA's who work at that hospital. That is very disturbing...honest the Director of Pharmacy must have their head up his or her a.s... >I work at another large hospital where they value you for what you know. I'm >55 and we have 5 other pharmacists who are older than I am. We have one woman [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Just my 2 cents worth. And worth every penny.... lol Bob Griffiths Dan W. wrote... >...There is a university hospital in my area >where most of the BSc's who weren't >going back to school for a PharmD were >forced out... How? > Dan W. wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >How? They start looking for anything they can get you on. No matter how good a job you do they put you down. Example. The computer I used in my clinical office had only a 400 mb hd. Someone from IS made the comment to the assit dir of clinical services that there wasn't much free space on the computer. Did he ask me about it...NO. His first comment was when he asked me why I filled up the computer with my own programs... When the person I shared the office had her evaluation, instead of talking about her preformance, he asked her about how much time I spent surfing the web. And so it went. I was in my 50's and had no intent of getting my PharmD. _ (_) Daniel Warren, RPh _______// Marion NY (________) Clinical Pharmacist \ / dwarren2@rochester.rr.com | Rx | /______\ (________) > > Dan W. wrote... > They start looking for anything they can get you on. No matter how good a job > you do they put you down. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > web. And so it went. I was in my 50's and had no intent of getting my > PharmD. Don't feel too bad Dan. I have NO intention of getting a PharmD, either. I have to confess I was a bit more than angered when I was advised by one of the pharmacy school hacks that if I really wanted to get into hospital pharmacy systems I should get my PharmD. I guess a PhD in engineering (Industrial and Management Systems)and 20 years experience just wouldn't cut it. We had a good laugh at that over at the College of Engineering. Fortunately for me, my boss has a brain and we advised the folks that were making that statement that they ought to understand the concept of systems and system engineering before they open their mouths. I am encountering the same problem with their knowledge of informatics. I have had two residents complete our program and will be funding a third this year. I have NO intention of getting it accredited through ASHP. At this point, they don't have a clue what is meant by informatics. Nick Coblio Can a BS pharmacist do a residency? I thought only PharmDs could. > Can a BS pharmacist do a residency? I thought only PharmDs could. It is my understanding that the ASHP requires a PharmD for accredited programs. That is hear-say and so I can not state for certainty that is a true statement, just my understanding of the situation. That said, not all programs are accredited nor do they necessarily want to be. Our informatics program is NOT accredited nor do I plan on accrediting it. The graduates (at this point n only = 2) have had no problem securing posisitions related to their residency program. We accept BS applicants and make a determination based on the qualifications of the candidate. -Nick > Can a BS pharmacist do a residency? I thought only PharmDs could. In Canada, the lack of a residency is a near-fatal impediment to applying to post-graduate PharmD programs.  SignatureGregory M. K. Poon, Ph.D., R.Ph., B.Sc.Phm. Departments of Pharmaceutical Sciences and Chemical Engineering University of Toronto |
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