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Gollum - 05 Mar 2004 21:14 GMT
Hi folks,

Please forgive the confession:

We (3 males & 1 female) have been taking  X tablets (MDMA) for about 4
years now.

During the last year, all of us have been experienced severe stomach
cramps & headaches.

Here in Durban, South Africa, most of the drug trade is operated by
Nigerians.

We have not, over the past years, increased the dosage.

Our usual dosage is : average weekend 2-3 tabs, but when we go wild
the most we take is 6 each.

P.S. : We certainly don't take X EVERY weekend.

What is it that they could be filling these tablets with that is
causing us so much discomfort?

Any ideas?

Please note: This is a serious question and we hope that no moralists
shall taint.

TIA
BilZ0r - 06 Mar 2004 03:36 GMT
The 'Nigerians' won't have altered the pills. They will be the same as
they were when they were shipped out of the country of origin, most
likely former USSR or the Netherlands.

You have been using drugs irresponsibly. anyone who takes 6 pills
themselves IS NOT treating recreational drugs with the respect they are
due, I'm surprised you haven't have more problems other than a sore
stomach.

Gollum <fred@derf.com> wrote in news:viph4092hiq24jqicq6kma436rhj8io5v4@
4ax.com:

> Hi folks,
>
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> TIA
Dirk Bruere at Neopax - 06 Mar 2004 09:13 GMT
> Hi folks,
>
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>
> Any ideas?

Manufacturing impurities probably.
Stick to LSD.
At least with that you take so little that even if the dot was pure cyanide
you probably wouldn't notice.

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me@home.com - 07 Mar 2004 04:46 GMT
>> What is it that they could be filling these tablets with that is
>> causing us so much discomfort?
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>Manufacturing impurities probably.
>Stick to LSD.

Even a semi-synthetic route to LSD is a hazardous 'trip' nevermind a
total synthesis.  The workup of any amine (i.e., MDMA) and generation
of one of its salts is usually a very clean process.  Not so with LSD.

>At least with that you take so little that even if the dot was pure cyanide
>you probably wouldn't notice.

Microdots are pretty heavy compared to the actual dose (what, 60 mcg
nowadays?)  Maybe it's strychnine...lol.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax - 07 Mar 2004 13:53 GMT
> >> What is it that they could be filling these tablets with that is
> >> causing us so much discomfort?
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> Microdots are pretty heavy compared to the actual dose (what, 60 mcg
> nowadays?)  Maybe it's strychnine...lol.

Maybe, but it would have to be around 100mg to kill.
That's a pill, not a dot.

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me@home.com - 07 Mar 2004 19:21 GMT
>> Microdots are pretty heavy compared to the actual dose (what, 60 mcg
>> nowadays?)  Maybe it's strychnine...lol.
>
>Maybe, but it would have to be around 100mg to kill.
>That's a pill, not a dot.

The strychnine reference was a joke.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax - 07 Mar 2004 20:56 GMT
> >> Microdots are pretty heavy compared to the actual dose (what, 60 mcg
> >> nowadays?)  Maybe it's strychnine...lol.
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>
> The strychnine reference was a joke.

The point remains though that if you have to take hundreds of mg to get a
reasonable effect any impurities are going to be serious.
Whereas if the effect occurs with ug then comparatively impurities have a
far lesser effect.
500ug of LSD will blow you out of your head, but 500ug even of VX nerve gas
won't kill you.

Dirk

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