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Tetracycline and DMSO

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Dirk Bruere at Neopax - 03 Mar 2004 12:19 GMT
I suffer from mild(ish) acne rosacea and have been prescribed a mixture of
tetracyclines under the name of Deteclo.
After a 6 week course the rosacea disappears to gradually reappear after
about the same length of time.
The implication is that if I want to be free of it I have to spend half my
life on antibiotics, which doesn't seem a good idea.

Anyway, why dose the whole body when only a small patch of skin needs the
antibiotic? (BTW, tried metrogel and it only sems to make thinsg worse).
So I have just started to use a couple of Deteclo tablets crushed and
dissolved in 50% DMSO/Water soln at around 3% strength in order to deliver
the antibiotic striaght through the skin.

Previously I have tested DMSO soln on the skin to see what effects it had.
Briefly, it pretty much eliminated the swelling and inflamation associated
with the condition, but did nothing for the underlying condition or
colouration.

It's too soon to report any effects from the latest effort, but I would
appreciate any comments on this combination eg synergies if they exist,
whether this has been tried before etc

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Darryl - 03 Mar 2004 12:56 GMT
If you can stand the bad breath and the carrier method works, you
don't expect the 'new' treatment to have a long-term effect, do you?
Hopefully you don't suffer the same fate at the Toxic Lady.  ;-)

>I suffer from mild(ish) acne rosacea and have been prescribed a mixture of
>tetracyclines under the name of Deteclo.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>appreciate any comments on this combination eg synergies if they exist,
>whether this has been tried before etc
Dirk Bruere at Neopax - 03 Mar 2004 13:26 GMT
> >I suffer from mild(ish) acne rosacea and have been prescribed a mixture of
> >tetracyclines under the name of Deteclo.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> >appreciate any comments on this combination eg synergies if they exist,
> >whether this has been tried before etc

> If you can stand the bad breath and the carrier method works, you
> don't expect the 'new' treatment to have a long-term effect, do you?
> Hopefully you don't suffer the same fate at the Toxic Lady.  ;-)

The bad breath is not a problem given the very small amounts of DMSO being
used.
30ml lasts for about 2 weeks, with the average application being around 1ml
As for long term, anything is better than dosing my whole body on a
perpetual basis. The wholebody dose from this method is probably <2% than
swallowing tablets.

Only one problem so far, and it is that the tablets are yellow inside and
the soln appears to be staining my face.
Not forever I hope...

Also got around to trying DMSO 70% approx on muscle/tendon injury - it's a
miracle doctor!
Really works well.

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Darryl - 03 Mar 2004 14:34 GMT
>The bad breath is not a problem given the very small amounts of DMSO being
>used.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>the soln appears to be staining my face.
>Not forever I hope...

Yikes.  I was thinking that you're taking the pure drug.  So you
realize that not only is the tetracycline but also binders/excipients
passing through your skin.

>Also got around to trying DMSO 70% approx on muscle/tendon injury - it's a
>miracle doctor!

I use a 90% gel for acute serious muslce injuries.  You're in good
company with veterinarians and UK neurosurgeons.  I'd still try to
stay away from the non-medicinal ingredients in the tablets.

>Really works well.
Dirk Bruere at Neopax - 03 Mar 2004 15:12 GMT
> >The bad breath is not a problem given the very small amounts of DMSO being
> >used.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> realize that not only is the tetracycline but also binders/excipients
> passing through your skin.

Not a problem apparently, since there appears to be a major insoluble
component which I assume is the bulk of the above..
Besides, no reaction on a bit of skin I tried earlier (a scrap I didn't mind
losing).

> >Also got around to trying DMSO 70% approx on muscle/tendon injury - it's a
> >miracle doctor!
>
> I use a 90% gel for acute serious muslce injuries.  You're in good

Don't you find that it stings rather a lot at that concentration?
I couldn't tolerate anything >60% on my face.

> company with veterinarians and UK neurosurgeons.  I'd still try to
> stay away from the non-medicinal ingredients in the tablets.

Perhaps, but the ingredients are self evidently non toxic at least orally.

> >Really works well.

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Darryl - 04 Mar 2004 11:46 GMT
>> I use a 90% gel for acute serious muslce injuries.  You're in good
>
>Don't you find that it stings rather a lot at that concentration?
>I couldn't tolerate anything >60% on my face.

It is medical grade so maybe that plays a role; however, I seem to
recall a little itching on occasion.

Keep us updated!

Darryl.
Manuel - 03 Mar 2004 23:12 GMT
Have you considered using some (commercial) antibiotic preparation for
external use? (In Spain Wyeth Farma markets one named LEDER PAX (r), moisten
towelettes with erythromycin)

Is the DMSO you're using pharmaceutical grade?

> I suffer from mild(ish) acne rosacea and have been prescribed a mixture of
> tetracyclines under the name of Deteclo.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> appreciate any comments on this combination eg synergies if they exist,
> whether this has been tried before etc
Dirk Bruere at Neopax - 04 Mar 2004 09:34 GMT
> Have you considered using some (commercial) antibiotic preparation for
> external use? (In Spain Wyeth Farma markets one named LEDER PAX (r), moisten
> towelettes with erythromycin)

Did not know such existed.
I have used metrogel but that made things worse.
The nice thing with DMSO is that it actually gets the active ingredients
*through* the skin in significant quantities.
For example, why does the whole body have to be dosed with something as
nasty as Accutane rather than using a DMSO mix at 1% of normal dose?

> Is the DMSO you're using pharmaceutical grade?

Not in the sense you mean.
It's certified for use in the production of pharmaceuticals and is 99.97%
according to the data sheet.

BTW, it's day 3 of the homemade treatment and already there is quite a
noticeable improvement.
A comparable stage with oral tetracyclines would (IIRC) require about 2
weeks, so I'm pretty optimistic at present.

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