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amanda - 03 Feb 2004 19:57 GMT
AT http://center.acs.org/careers/jordan_mary_welsh_files/frame.htm 

Where are the jobs?
Do we even call
ourselves chemists?

Slide 18: Bio/pharma jobs closely tied to hitech, therefore subject to
of the same economic forces

Whst does the above means?  Jobs prospect is not good in those
sectors CURRENTLY? Or is pharma related jobs more available in
general, for those with pharmacy degree than with chemistry degree.

Just want to know clearly since I thought (assumed) jobs in phramacy
degrees are more stable.
BilZ0r - 04 Feb 2004 09:04 GMT
I can't imagine many biotech firms hiring pharmacists. Theres
some research done by pharmcists in regards to new forumlation
techneques (lipospheres).... but apart from that...

> AT http://center.acs.org/careers/jordan_mary_welsh_files/frame.htm 
>
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> Just want to know clearly since I thought (assumed) jobs in phramacy
> degrees are more stable.
amanda - 04 Feb 2004 15:03 GMT
> I can't imagine many biotech firms hiring pharmacists. Theres
> some research done by pharmcists in regards to new forumlation
> techneques (lipospheres).... but apart from that...

It seems that you didn't click that link from acs. The presentation
seemed to imply that those Biotech jobs and Pharma jobs could be
considered chemistry jobs. (Sound like desperate attempt to say there
are jobs for Chemists). It didn't say Bio tech firms hire pharmacists.

> > AT
>  http://center.acs.org/careers/jordan_mary_welsh_files/frame.htm
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>  phramacy
> > degrees are more stable.
BilZ0r - 04 Feb 2004 22:31 GMT
Um...

You said

" Or is pharma related jobs more available in general, for those with
pharmacy degree than with chemistry degree."

I was replying by saying, "No pharmacy research is limited"

>  It seems that you didn't click that link from acs. The presentation
> seemed to imply that those Biotech jobs and Pharma jobs could be
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>>  phramacy
>> > degrees are more stable.
amanda - 05 Feb 2004 20:46 GMT
> Um...
>
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>
> I was replying by saying, "No pharmacy research is limited"

Oh..OK. English is my second language and I never got a chnace to
take any formal class after I got to US and soemtimes, I still
misunderstand and makes the silliest of mistakes. I think I even lost
my English skills after i started learnign computer programmign
languages - it might sound funny.

Anyway, I should have written "Are pharma related job (btw, not
necessarily researc related jobs only) more available in general to
those with pharmacy degree than for those with chemistry degree?"

Good to know that pharmacy research is limited.

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BilZ0r - 06 Feb 2004 00:55 GMT
When you say "pharma" do you mean biotech? Because if you do, then
chemistry is more employable than pharmacy.

>> Um...
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amanda - 06 Feb 2004 22:40 GMT
> When you say "pharma" do you mean biotech?

No.

>Because if you do, then
> chemistry is more employable than pharmacy.

You mean ..people with Chemsitry degree are more employable than those
with pharmacy degree in 'Biotech' industry?

<snip
amanda - 06 Feb 2004 16:23 GMT
> Um...
>
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>
> I was replying by saying, "No pharmacy research is limited"


I should have written "is pharma related jobs more available in
general to those with pharmacy degree than *to those* with chemistry
degree?"

Sorry about my English. I replied yesterday but the post didn't show
up.

> >  It seems that you didn't click that link from acs. The presentation
> > seemed to imply that those Biotech jobs and Pharma jobs could be
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>  phramacy
> >> > degrees are more stable.
Nigel - 06 Feb 2004 16:48 GMT
>> Um...
>>
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> general to those with pharmacy degree than *to those* with chemistry
> degree?"

Available and staffed by are two different things.  It is easy to confuse
the outcome (staffed by) with available to.

Biotech and pharma comapnies employ people with a wide variety of
degrees.  For a few positions, very specific degrees are required.  
However, for many an applicable degree and experience/interest are
required.  For instance in a QA position, the person employed may hold a
pharmacy or a chemistry degree but they need an appropriate skill set to
function in a QA setting.

In terms of outcome, most people attending pharmacy school have a goal of
working in a hospital or drug store at the end, so supply of pharmacy
degrees to biotech and pharma companies is limited.
amanda - 06 Feb 2004 22:47 GMT
> >> Um...
> >>
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> Available and staffed by are two different things.  It is easy to confuse
> the outcome (staffed by) with available to.

Ok....

> Biotech and pharma comapnies employ people with a wide variety of
> degrees.  For a few positions, very specific degrees are required.  
> However, for many an applicable degree and experience/interest are
> required.  

>For instance in a QA position, the person employed may hold a
> pharmacy or a chemistry degree but they need an appropriate skill set to
> function in a QA setting.

Should I assume that *appropriate* skill set can come from work
experience, or possibly from some research work while in school?


> In terms of outcome, most people attending pharmacy school have a goal of
> working in a hospital or drug store at the end,

I notice that. Those jobs (in hospital), onc obtained, seem to be
stable, huh? I had a classmate whose husband with an MS in pharmacy
degree was working at a hospital in Houston in Medical Center area. He
seemed pretty content with the job.

> so supply of pharmacy
> degrees to biotech and pharma companies is limited.

Though the supply may be limited, would the demand great or just ok?
May be "hard to say" in this economy?
Marvin Margoshes - 04 Feb 2004 19:08 GMT
> AT http://center.acs.org/careers/jordan_mary_welsh_files/frame.htm
>
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> Just want to know clearly since I thought (assumed) jobs in phramacy
> degrees are more stable.

Biotech is a newer area, with many small startup companies.  Their failure
rate is high.  But if they suceed, the opportunities and rewards are better.
Pharma companies do biotech R&D themselves, and make deals with the biotech
companies that succeed in making a product, but lack marketing.
Nigel - 05 Feb 2004 12:30 GMT
> AT http://center.acs.org/careers/jordan_mary_welsh_files/frame.htm 
>
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> sectors CURRENTLY? Or is pharma related jobs more available in
> general, for those with pharmacy degree than with chemistry degree.

I don't think the slide is entirely accurate.  The economic forces
underlying the industry are very different from those underlying the
computer hardware, software, and networking industries (all of which bear
little resemblance to each other).  However, access to capital in
computer hardware, software, networking, and biotechnology runs on the
same cycle.  High beta (high risk) investments as a group come into and
out of favor together.

> Just want to know clearly since I thought (assumed) jobs in phramacy
> degrees are more stable.

Jobs in pharmacies tend to be stable, however, there are many things one
can do with a pharmacy degree, not all of which will be stable.
William Penrose - 05 Feb 2004 15:30 GMT
>http://center.acs.org/careers/jordan_mary_welsh_files/frame.htm

Anyone studying chemistry today as a major has been seriously misled.
I have been in chemistry 42 years, and I have never seen the job
market in as dismal a shape as it is now. I have six friends who have
been fired or forced to retire in the past two years. I do not know a
single chemist who has gotten a job in his/er field in that time.

I sometimes make a joke of it, but the status of chemistry as a
science is so low that, even when a major new breakthrough is made,
its pioneers give it a name that has nothing to do with chemistry.
Like nanotechnology, for instance.

I am planning the next 10 years to be my last in science before
retiring. I am moving out of the chemical sensors field into
biosensors. Which is to say, I'm changing the name of what I'm doing.
It is still chemistry, and a very hot area, but if we called it by a
better name, biochemical sensors, it would still be sitting at the
starting gate, looking for funding.

Bill Penrose
amanda - 05 Feb 2004 20:51 GMT
> >http://center.acs.org/careers/jordan_mary_welsh_files/frame.htm
>
> Anyone studying chemistry today as a major has been seriously misled.

You nailed it.

I read somewhere on ACS website encouraging people to study Chemsitry.
It may even have been in that presentation slide.
Mark Tarka - 06 Feb 2004 02:06 GMT
> >http://center.acs.org/careers/jordan_mary_welsh_files/frame.htm
[snip...]
> It is still chemistry, and a very hot area, but if we called it by a
> better name, biochemical sensors, it would still be sitting at the
> starting gate, looking for funding.

Should you just look at some of your
pages to check if they need to be updated?
That's sufficient to allow you to change
the date indicating currency, unless there's
no need for a change  :-)

 Mark (...trying to be helpful....)
 
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