Hey.
I know I shouldn't be doing this, but the sleep doc that I see for my
narcolepsy and wants me on Xyrem doesn't know I am on Accutane 80mg/day
for acne per my dermatologist.
There's no contraindications between the two, and Accutane isn't like
a CNS depressant, and Xyrem isn't metabolized through the liver like
Accutane, so it doesn't seem like a problem to me. Just another
unnecessary thing to mention to my sleep doc, which he would have just
as little insight over as I do anyway. (Thus a reason not to prescribe
me Xyrem).
Oh, and please don't freak out because I'm posting this to the
drugs.ghb group, I'm just thinking someone on it might have some
insight, because they take GHB so often, maybe one of them took it while
on Accutane.
peace!
ganishe
> I know I shouldn't be doing this, but the sleep doc that I see for my
>narcolepsy and wants me on Xyrem doesn't know I am on Accutane 80mg/day
>for acne per my dermatologist.
ALL doctors should know EVERYTHING that ALL of them are prescribing.
>There's no contraindications between the two, and Accutane isn't like
>a CNS depressant, and Xyrem isn't metabolized through the liver like
>Accutane, so it doesn't seem like a problem to me. Just another
>unnecessary thing to mention to my sleep doc, which he would have just
>as little insight over as I do anyway.
IMHO: Let the professional research the literature and come to the
same conclusion.
Ganishe - 14 Nov 2003 04:59 GMT
> > I know I shouldn't be doing this, but the sleep doc that I see for my
> >narcolepsy and wants me on Xyrem doesn't know I am on Accutane 80mg/day
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> IMHO: Let the professional research the literature and come to the
> same conclusion.
Um, in a wonderful world where professionals do research literature and
come up with the same conclusions as their peers have, that would make
sense. But my med records have stuff on there a 1st year undergrad psych
major should be able to red ink the heck out of.
Moreover, I've never met a doc that at some point or another realized I
knew my research in the area I sought treatment for (or had the
condition of). At this point, they start asking me what to prescribe,
what to dose it at, etc.
I've only met two out of about 2 dozen doctors in the past 12 months
that ever heard of Desoxyn, for instance. Desoxyn was patented by Abbott
Labs in 1944, and is methamphetamine hydrochloride.
So when you realize Dexedrine doesn't help you to even function at the
higher doses you get prescribed, yet you suffer from the more
peripherial side effects that are greater than that seen from Desoxyn,
let me know how your "trust your M.D. because you're not one" plan
works.
In the mean time, I'm going to remind myself that I would have never
been treated for apnea or narcolepsy at all if I didn't get second
opinions or give my docs research docs or sales materials. Or ideas in
general that have helped to change my life.
I'm very creative, and smart, most patients aren't. If I was an M.D., I
wouldn't listen to a lot of my patients, but only because that's
realistic to expect. I'm an exception to this, my docs have told me
this, my psychopharmacologist even asked if I had any interest in
becoming a psychopharmacologist. I'm an English major, and I'm 20. So
lay off, my docs dismiss the points I correct others docs for doing
right along with me.
They know I do my homework, and they don't have time to do theirs.
That's why drug reps exist, because it's the only way the bulk of your
doc's med info would ever come from when it comes to meds. Are sales
reps M.D.'s? No, they're no more than a walking Cliff Notes for docs.
They highlight clinical data, safety concerns, etc. I do this as well,
I even tell my doc what schedules drugs like Xyrem are in (III) and
explain to him the potential for abuse and such. I doubt you do this,
but it's probably b/c you assume they would know such info.
CPAP is ordering a PSG, writing a cover sheet to the lab doc's report,
ordering a titration study, writing another cover sheet, and prescribing
a calculated amount of a CPAP-esque device.
That doesn't require continious and thorough research, in fact, the only
real research going on is by my doctor and his hospital colleagues to
find various coorelations between sleep apnea and other disorders (e.g.,
ADD pediatric patients were found to have 25% prevalence of ADD) or
other such studies, mainly intended to investigate the nature of the
diagnosis in order to approach other disorders, find relationships, etc.
Johnny Boy - 17 Nov 2003 16:26 GMT
f.ck med-"doctors" and their so-called science!!
Of course there are exceptions, but a med-degree doesn's say anything
about a persons ability to view scientific litterature and,
especially: ANALYSE + CONCLUDE anything that any other mentally
NON-RETARDED person shouldn't be able to!! all it takes is a couple of
hours from your life to learn the few medical terms required....
Beeing a physicist myself (and thus NEEDING an IQ slightly above that
of a MONKEY to "earn" my PhD) I find it truly depressive to read their
poorly (but extremely expensive!!!) statistically non-significant
conclusions.....
//Ron
> > I know I shouldn't be doing this, but the sleep doc that I see for my
> >narcolepsy and wants me on Xyrem doesn't know I am on Accutane 80mg/day
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> IMHO: Let the professional research the literature and come to the
> same conclusion.
nospam@nospam.com - 17 Nov 2003 16:57 GMT
YOu won't be popular on the sleep disorder group with that attitude.. To be part of the "in group"
there you are required to worship doctors.
What is Tardive Dyskinesia?
Tardive dyskinesia is a neurological syndrome caused by the long-term use of neuroleptic drugs.
Neuroleptic drugs are generally prescribed for psychiatric disorders, as well as for some
gastrointestinal and neurological disorders. Tardive dyskinesia is characterized by repetitive,
involuntary, purposeless movements. Features of the disorder may include grimacing, tongue
protrusion, lip smacking, puckering and pursing, and rapid eye blinking. Rapid movements of the
arms, legs, and trunk may also occur. Impaired movements of the fingers may appear as though the
patient is playing an invisible guitar or piano.
Is there any treatment?
There is no standard treatment for tardive dyskinesia. Treatment is highly individualized. The first
step is generally to stop or minimize the use of the neuroleptic drug. However, for patients with a
severe underlying condition this may not be a feasible option. Replacing the neuroleptic drug with
substitute drugs may help some patients. Other drugs such as benzodiazepines, adrenergic
antagonists, and dopamine agonists may also be beneficial.
What is the prognosis?
Symptoms of tardive dyskinesia may remain long after discontinuation of neuroleptic drugs; however,
with careful management, some symptoms may improve and/or disappear with time.
What research is being done?
The NINDS conducts and supports a broad range of research on movement disorders including tardive
dyskinesia. The goals of this research are to improve understanding of these disorders and to
discover ways to treat, prevent, and, ultimately, cure them.
Select this link to view a list of studies currently seeking patients.
>f.ck med-"doctors" and their so-called science!!
>
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>> IMHO: Let the professional research the literature and come to the
>> same conclusion.
why would anybody freak out ? DILLIGAF ?
You will have no problem what-so-ever with the two. I cross-checked
the PDR and with my Dr. friend.
~SoE
> Hey.
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> peace!
> ganishe