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KYBRY - 02 Nov 2003 20:19 GMT
I am an RPH who is leaving the wonderfull world of retail to work for a major
PBM.
I have seen some things that make a lot of sense when it comes to saving money
for an insurer.
Without a prior approval:
1-Only Lisinopril, Enalapril, Captopril instead of brand name ACE's
2-Fluoxetine instead of Zoloft, Celexa, Paxil
3-Glipizide-Not Glucotrol XL
4Only generic topical steroid-none of the newer brand names
5-Using 2 Fluoxetine 20mg caps instead of 1 40 mg cap

I've also seen some things that I am not sure of

1-Not paying for Zoloft 50 mg-but making patient take 1/2 of Zoloft 100mg.
2-Not paying for any ARB's without P.A.
3-Using only generic CCB's (no Norvasc)

What other situations have you seen that seem to make sense when it comes to
saving $$'s?
rxempress - 03 Nov 2003 03:30 GMT
Sorry... I do not agree about your statement about fluoxetine first line.
There are cases where  other SSRI's are preferable... ie my son has ADD and
depression and was placed on Zoloft since it seems to elevate dopamine
levels better than others.  While we are not talking about apples and
oranges there are certainly different kinds of apples suited for different
purposes... some hold up in pie while others fall to pieces and turn into
mush.  Some are great for pies  but are too sour to eat. Etc.

There is one insurance company that we deal with that will not allow
Wellbutrin SR  or XL to be prescribed unless the patient fails on a
fluoxetine.  Wellbutrin is also used for  ADD so I really do not understand
the logic here.

BTW this insurance group will not pay for Tamiflu even it is a confirmed
case of Influenza type B.   I called them to tell them that there was lab
documentation that a young child (@ 2yo) had type B and was told that I
should dispense amantadine since that was the only medication on formulary.
I asked how I could get a PA and was told there was no way to do it. Tell me
that that makes sense.
John S. Dyson - 03 Nov 2003 06:58 GMT
> There is one insurance company that we deal with that will not allow
> Wellbutrin SR  or XL to be prescribed unless the patient fails on a
> fluoxetine.  Wellbutrin is also used for  ADD so I really do not understand
> the logic here.

I agree -- Wellbutrin is so very different from an SSRI, that it makes
no sense to imply any kind of comparison/equivalency between the two.  It
is pretty obvious that there is an attempt to defer/delay use of the more
expensive medication.  It is ALMOST like requiring that someone
try aspirin before tylenol!!!  Those are also quite different,
even though they have some overlapping applications.

For example, what if you were considering an anti-depressant for a
middle aged, sexually active, healthy (normal/moderate blood
pressure/no seizures) man who likely needs an 'activating' type
antidepressant?  It really might make sense to consider
Wellbutrin for someone like that, simply to avoid the spectre
of increasing the chance for impotency.  I'd also continue
being aware of the SSRI abstinence syndromes -- which are
REAL and VERY uncomfortable.  I wonder if there are any
known Wellbutrin abstinence syndromes?

To SOME people, the issue of 'sexual performance' is so important
that it makes little sense to risk problems in the areas that
SOME people take very seriously.  If I had a girlfriend, and
needed an anti-depressant, I certainly wouldn't want to be
prescribed Zoloft (in my case, I do happen to know that it totally
disables me.)  If I wasn't concerned about that aspect of sexuality,
then the SSRI might be a good choice.

However, it would be VERY WRONG to risk disappointment in someone
who takes their sexual performance very seriously, especially
when the reason for that risk is because of an insurance company
who'd would rather risk the patient's sense of wellbeing.

John

John
anonymous - 17 Nov 2003 23:25 GMT
I think you should look beyond fluoxetine, this is a great drug for some
people, however, with its extremely long half life, it is in no way ideal
for the elderly, whom, with the graying of america, will soon be your most
populated patient group.

Paroxetine is a much better, for many patient populations.

Maybe look at generic SSRI's

I would avoid costly sustained release versions of generically available
drugs (ie: use buproprion  imm. release instead of the wellbutrin XL--- i
believe there is coming soon a generic for Wellbutrin SR.

Joe-- Mass R.Ph.

> > There is one insurance company that we deal with that will not allow
> > Wellbutrin SR  or XL to be prescribed unless the patient fails on a
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> John
 
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