First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
recommendation to a psychologist/psychiatrist at my next visit in a
few weeks.
Now that we have that out of the way.. I have a small percocet habit-
I get them occasionally for the pain I endure with my colitis. I do
actually have bad pain (mostly in the morning) and use them for this.
I also abuse them and as bad as that is, that is the way it has been.
When i could get them, i would.
About a week ago I ran out of percocet and a few days later as
desperate and pathetic as it is.. yep you guessed it- I ended up
swallowing about 125 lomotil tabs. I was aware of the amount of the
opiate in it and the amount of atropine- but in my state of mind
(craving horribly for an opiate high)- I ended up swallowing them
anyway. By the way- I did get an opiate high, which felt really good
at the time- but then experienced sleeplessness, extreme dry mouth/
nose/throat, and then extreme nausea and vomiting for 1 day and slight
nausea for a 2nd day.
It has been about 4 days since then and I have been taking stool
softeners and did take a dose of milk of magnesia and I have been
going to the bathroom. But I have been experiencing a lot of bloating
and pain.
My theory so far has been to eat anything that usually gives me the
sh.ts, mcdonalds for example. I do not know if this is helping my
situation or if the junk food is just adding to the rot that is
already going on in my stomach.
My question is what kind of diet should I follow now? Should I
continue with the stool softeners and if so, how long will it take
until my gut is mobile again? Is there anything that can jump start my
stomach into working normally again??
Thanks for the advice and once again, i know i have a problem, i know
what i did was pathetic and I am trying to get help..
paula - 08 Oct 2007 07:46 GMT
Hi Chad
Sorry you are having a hard time.
It seems your immediate problem is that taking all that lomotil might
have made you constipated. Going overboard now with stool softeners
seems to me a case of trying to make a right out of 2 wrongs. I would
guess that to be the wrong approach.
Is there a poison control centre in your area you can call and talk to?
Of course, if as useful as here you might as well skip it, but one never
knows. Next, did you call your doctor, or are you going to and ask a
doctor what you should do. Be honest; most doctors have dealt with
people who are addicted to one thing or another and will give you loads
of credit for honesty and trying to change that. As to the present pain
etc. I would eat only liquids if possible so as not to get blocked; at
least eat healthy and get a head start on feeding your body for coping
with withdrawal. Have you tried heat and massaging the painful area's. I
think that is all you can do and hope it will wear off.
Oh, what you did was not pathetic at all; you are just trying to cope
the best you can even tough it is in a wrong way. Hopefully you get good
help for that, but first things first. It is much harder to unlearn
addictive behaviour when in pain and feeling lousy in other area's.
Hopefully others have more idea's.
Good luck;
note; eliminated some cross posting.
> First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
> or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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> Thanks for the advice and once again, i know i have a problem, i know
> what i did was pathetic and I am trying to get help..
Alt.Drugs.Hard - 08 Oct 2007 11:11 GMT
> First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
> or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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> Thanks for the advice and once again, i know i have a problem, i know
> what i did was pathetic and I am trying to get help..
Just speaking generally, not bringing lomotil into the picture..(mainly
because I don't know what it is) My advice on what kindof food to eat during
is: hatevr you crave. I know wen I'm WD-ing, I love stufflike canteloupe,
watermelon, ice cream.....While you're in WD is not the time to try and
start on a healthy, balanced diet. Any food you can keep down is good food.
Usually cold juicy fruits are good...but whatever your particular tastes
are...indulge them now! If you've got someboy able to do some shoping for
you, get plenty of fruit cocktail, the already mentioned watermelon and
canteloupe. Malteds to drink, root beerwith ice cream in it...When you're
kicking,it's one of the few times in life when you're allowed to say"Don't
f.cking argue with me! I'm f.cking sick as a dog,!"You can pretty much do
anything and blame it on the WD. Once you feel beter, like a normal person,
you can start on a healthy diet, balanced meals an all that crap.
Mike
Dr.White - 08 Oct 2007 13:39 GMT
>> First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
>> or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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> balanced meals an all that crap.
> Mike
Where the hell is PVC to chip in with her humorous comments when you need
her?
Mike, I think our man Chad has a different dilemma. He's gone and swallowed
125 anti-diarhhrhhoeooeeooohha (sp?) tablets, and he wants to know if
there's a chance that he might take a dump before 2019, or, how to enhance
the probability of that eventuality.
Chad, you need to start drinking plenty of water. I wondered if 125
Dulco-Lax might reverse the situation but I think that would cause you a
rectal prolapse. You'd be walking around tripping over your own colon. So,
just take one or two. Then eat normally but drink more water. Oh, and don't
apologize for your moments of weakness. We encourage reckless abandon here
on alt.drugs.hard. We could also have told you that munching your way
through 125 Lomotil was a bad idea.
Regards,
Dr.White.
Vanny - 08 Oct 2007 18:45 GMT
I really think that you should see a doctor and discuss it with him/her.
Read this: http://www.drugs.com/pro/lomotil.html
I would be really concerned about it progressing to toxic megacolon.
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic1418.htm Main symptoms: distended belly,
tachychardiya, dehydration and fever, but not necessarily all together in
every patient.
I would urge you to go to ER. I think that you should also have all your
innerds checked by ultrasound. You should probably also be on a drip. I
would not suggest self-medicating until you know what has happened to your
internal organs.
My gut feeling would be to advise you to eat really low fibre
http://www.revolutionhealth.com/articles/?id=B5B45D26-E7FF-0DBD-10FD65BB7E9A1E46
in the interim and drink 0.5 litre of ORS per day to sort out your mineral
balance plus a further 1-2 litres of, for example, fennel or camomile tea or
(mineral) water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_rehydration_therapy (see
your pharmacist or make your own).
If you can make it to your pharmacist perhaps you can get the required
information there.
Vanny
>> First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
>> or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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> balanced meals an all that crap.
> Mike
Joe B - 08 Oct 2007 14:55 GMT
>First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
>or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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>Thanks for the advice and once again, i know i have a problem, i know
>what i did was pathetic and I am trying to get help..
I would recommend you see a doctor. You could have done some serious
damage to your liver, kidneys or both. It is difficult to know since
the symptoms of overdosing are similar to the symptoms from having
cause organ damage. Still having nausea on the second day is kind of
alarming. You could tell the doctor that you took too much APAP and
Ibuprofen since the tests will be similar in nature. At day 4 there
might not be much that can be done if there is damage but it is better
than waiting. In some cases severe damage might not be apparent for as
much as 6-8 days following the event.
For a bowel movement try Miralax.
Good luck
fred - 08 Oct 2007 15:37 GMT
> First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
> or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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> Thanks for the advice and once again, i know i have a problem, i know
> what i did was pathetic and I am trying to get help..
Hi Chad, that is really a literal shitload of pills you took, but indeed
like dr. White already points out what you took the lomotil is an anti
diarhea med and the opiate in it is related to meperidine also known as
pethidine, but related to it does not mean the same action compared to
pethidine and the only reason why you could get high from this stuff was
that you took that much that it could penetrate the bloodbrain barrier,
except if lomotil is a central working agent to take care of diarhea that i
dont know, but pethidine is weak and about the related compound
dephenoxilate in lomotil i have no idea about its potency, but mainly such
anti diarhea meds with an opiate related compound in it are weaker.
Well before you can take a dump again i would suggest to wait a day or two
drinking a lot of water and on the evening of day two you could take two or
three 5 mg bisacodyl dragees, dulcolax, but not a load, because else you get
cramps you wont believe this can already happen with 3 pills so go easy on
the dulcolax and the days in between to give your body a bit time to get by
from that load. In lomotil there is a sub therapeutic amount of atropine
present to to discourage deliberate overdosage, but atropine is an anti
cholinergic and therefore you have this very dry mouth nose and whatever
more so however atropine has no effect on your intestines as far as i know,
a load can cause tachycardia so a racing heart and i guess you felt that.
Luckily atropine has a short halflife of only 2 hours, but you really took a
lot so the days to let your body calm down i see as needed then when you
need to take a dump, but when it wont happen, doubtful i mean when the WD
starts again you sh.t again, but in case not after two days the dulcolax can
come in, but like i said really no more then three pills and maybe you can
try two first to prevent heavy painful cramps.
Good luck and take care.
Regards, Freek.
jpooh19@gmail.com - 09 Oct 2007 05:29 GMT
> First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
> or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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> Thanks for the advice and once again, i know i have a problem, i know
> what i did was pathetic and I am trying to get help..
Hi Chad,
Sorry to hear about your pain and your pain management problems. I
also had developed a dependence on narcotics due to my Crohns related
issues. My husband found a wonder pill for me called suboxzone. It
is an at home detox pill and works within forty minutes of taking your
first dose. It really is a miracle, it obliterated all of the
horrible withdrawal symptoms. Not all doctors can perscribe this
medicine, go to their website and click on find a doctor, I did and I
feel like I have a life again that I can somewhat control. Also,
this doctor prescribed a non-narcotic pain medicine (Torradol) to help
with the Crohns pain. I hope this helps you too.
Janette - 09 Oct 2007 13:31 GMT
Wow - what a 'sh.t' load of stuff to read through!
I hope you are coping Chad. You tried something that was supposed to
have fixed an immediate problem. We all do that. But as far as what
from here, my advice is mostly the same.... liquids, keep a simple
diet and by now Im sure the crisis is over! But I just wanted to add
that as support...
Let us all know how it goes, as I think the idea of constipation until
2019 sounds a bit uncomfortable!
Alt.Drugs.Hard - 10 Oct 2007 02:00 GMT
>> First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
>> or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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> this doctor prescribed a non-narcotic pain medicine (Torradol) to help
> with the Crohns pain. I hope this helps you too.
Do you mean suboxone? It's main ingredient is buprnorphene (sp?) It's been
dicussed here many times, he can also check it out on the SAMHSA website, as
well as WWW.ETFRC.Com..Before taking it though, you MUST be already in heavy
WD, otherwise you face precipitated WD, which is pretty much like taking 30
days worth of WD and condensing it down into 15 minutes. It can be helpful,
but you've gotta be careful.
Mike
Musashi - 14 Oct 2007 21:01 GMT
I'd say drink soups, broths, and anything squishy/mushy. Anything that
can get through the bowel easily. That's what the Doc's told me when I
had a problem passing larger/formed stools through my narrowed ileum.
It did seem to help (along with the steroids lol!) Also, make sure you
are drinking plenty (water is your best best) so that you're not
dehydrated, so that there's more liquid to your stools. I might be
wrong, but just some suggestions.
Hopefully you'll give birth soon, and hopefully the lomotil hasn't
caused any nasty problems.
Are you passing gas? Sometimes that's a good sign that you don't have
a blockage.
Musashi
> First off I am admitting I have a drug problem, so please no lectures
> or advice regarding that. I am planning to ask my physician for a
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> Thanks for the advice and once again, i know i have a problem, i know
> what i did was pathetic and I am trying to get help..