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Medical Forum / General / Pharmacy / May 2007Hospital VS. Retail
As a Pharmacist recruiter I see new grads and experienced clients to often rush into the decision making process weighing retail v. hospital. The advise i normally give my clients is if you want to go retail immediately you are going to suffer later in your career. It is a belief my most of my clients who are hospitals, long term care and home infusion companies, believe that you as a retail pharmacist are not practicing pharmacy and only want to leave retail because they long hours are wearing on you. If you ever want to get into hospital at a later date it is going to be exremely hard. Only a few of my clients will even look at a retail resume and even less have the infrastructure to train retail pharmacists. If you go to retail and eventually want to get into a hospital, I would go to home infustion it will provide with the all important IV experience that my hospital clients are looking for. I suggest retail as last option at the end of ones career when the flexiblity of schedule and the big bucks make it an easy choice. Retail is not entirely a bad choice upfront the money is way better than long term care and even hospital but the experience you gain in hospital, long term care and home infusion will propell you further in your career than retail. Is it true Nader, that 80 percent of all jobs out there upon graduation are retail? Or is this figure off the mark? >Is it true Nader, that 80 percent of all jobs out there upon graduation are >retail? Or is this figure off the mark? =================== My guess is that 90 percent of all Pharmacists (who work) are in retail... I started in Hospital then switched to retail after about 5 years... then retired after 25 years in retail... The local hospital enplyoyes 5 Pharmacists .... CVS has that many Stores in Town .. Bob G. On May 14, 11:57 pm, "Dr. Wayne Simon" <wayne.si...@comcast.net> wrote: > Is it true Nader, that 80 percent of all jobs out there upon graduation are > retail? Or is this figure off the mark? > > - Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I would say that the it more like 70% of all pharmacy jobs out there retail simply becuase of the sheer volume of retail outlets and the work environment which causes great turnover in these retail settings with the big chains. As opposed to hospital, ltc and home infusion. On May 18, 10:11 am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: > On May 14, 11:57 pm, "Dr. Wayne Simon" <wayne.si...@comcast.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > work environment which causes great turnover in these retail settings > with the big chains. As opposed to hospital, ltc and home infusion. Demand in the hospitals is increasing becuase so many hospitals are moving to 24 hours pharmacies and their admissions in the last 5 years has increased dramatically and are projected to continue to rise. >As a Pharmacist recruiter I see new grads and experienced clients to >often rush into the decision making process weighing retail v. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >you gain in hospital, long term care and home infusion will propell >you further in your career than retail. I did Start in Hospital (way back in the mid 60's ...when I got of of school...worked in the basement of John Hopkins for 5 years.....learned absolutely nothing... Today you may be right about Hospitals not looking at a Resume from a Retail Pharmacist ... I just do not know.. What I do know is that I honestly never knew of a single Pharmacist who even wrote a resume ..nor do I know of a single Pharmacist who is looking for work.. Just the opinion of an old Retired Pharmacist.. who has worked Hospital (regular and military) and Retail... Bob G. Long Term Care Pharmacy - will give you much more experience in dealing with MTM, Consulting, starting your own business, and technology - than retail pharmacy first. Start with a much more complicated position that will be more involved than retail pharmacy - then "write your own ticket" after that,... www.pharmacytechnology.net > >As a Pharmacist recruiter I see new grads and experienced clients to > >often rush into the decision making process weighing retail v. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I appreciate your opinion, though today there are many pharmacists looking to make a change from retail to hospital and the single most quoted reason is becuase they do not feel they are really practicing what they learned in school or in their pharmacy rotations while getting their pharmd. >> - Show quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >what they learned in school or in their pharmacy rotations while >getting their pharmd. ========================================== I honestly can not argue that point with you... Like I said I am now retired. BUT during my 40 years of practicing Pharmacy I never used very much of what "I" learned in school Period... That includes my "work" in both Civilian or Military Hospitals and in Retail... Used a lot more my education in the Military then anyplace else... Used less in Retail (discounting my pre-Pharmacy School Economics classes. Bob G. On May 14, 8:35?am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: My husband is a hospital pharmacy manager in a major hospital in the Texas Medical Center and I am a retail pharmacist and I have asked him this question before. He says they have hired several retail pharmacists, some who have been in retail for over 15 years, and the pharmacists work out just fine. He says mainly it's a matter of attitude-are you willing to learn new things or just want to coast along. > On May 14, 8:35?am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: > My husband is a hospital pharmacy manager in a major hospital in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > attitude-are you willing to learn new things or just want to coast > along. Thank you for your response. Some of my hospitals do hire retail pharmacists as i have stated before. but if the retail pharmacist has not had a very easy time of going into hospital I have had some clients hire new grads over retail because the new grads have just come out of their rotations and have that knowledge fresh in their minds. Also in New Jersey retail pharmacists make 5-7 dollars an hour more than hospital so that is also one reason many hospitals do not hire retail as well the salaries are very high for someone with 5 years or more experience.Of course are they willing to learn that is great but alot of hospitals I deal with do have time and to train especially on the overnight shift and the day positions usually go in house? >Thank you for your response. Some of my hospitals do hire retail >pharmacists as i have stated before. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >and to train especially on the overnight shift and the day positions >usually go in house? =============== The Salary difference between Hospital and Retail has Always been there. amd to be honest I was making $8000.00 a year at John Hopkins in the mid 60's when I could no longer overlook the fact that Retail was paying $12,000 a year ... I of course made the switch and was able to afford Baby Formula etc ... I am now retired..However I worked with plenty of PD's before I gave work up for a much better way of life... LOL BUT to be honest I still have not figured out just what the P,D's bring to the table that any other Pharmacist who has been working for more then a year could. ... Bob G. > > On May 14, 8:35?am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: > > My husband is a hospital pharmacy manager in a major hospital in the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > and to train especially on the overnight shift and the day positions > usually go in house. >> > On May 14, 8:35?am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: >> > My husband is a hospital pharmacy manager in a major hospital in the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >So in N.J. its really wholesale, vs. retail! > >> > On May 14, 8:35?am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: > >> > My husband is a hospital pharmacy manager in a major hospital in the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for your response, perhaps I got away from the real question of if you are a pharmacist and want to further your career which direction is best suited for advancement? Hospital or retail in new jersey I have seen instances more often than not of hospitals not hiring qualified retail candidates chosing to continue to look for at least one year of hospital. I don't think it can be argued that retail is going to teach a pharmacist every thing a hospital or home infusion company would. > >> > On May 14, 8:35?am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: > >> > My husband is a hospital pharmacy manager in a major hospital in the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for your response, perhaps I got away from the real question of if you are a pharmacist and want to further your career which direction is best suited for advancement? Hospital or retail in new jersey I have seen instances more often than not of hospitals not hiring qualified retail candidates chosing to continue to look for at least one year of hospital. I don't think it can be argued that retail is going to teach a pharmacist every thing a hospital or home infusion company would. > >> > On May 14, 8:35?am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: > >> > My husband is a hospital pharmacy manager in a major hospital in the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for your response, perhaps I got away from the real question of if you are a pharmacist and want to further your career which direction is best suited for advancement? Hospital or retail in new jersey I have seen instances more often than not of hospitals not hiring qualified retail candidates chosing to continue to look for at least one year of hospital. I don't think it can be argued that retail is going to teach a pharmacist every thing a hospital or home infusion company would. > >> > On May 14, 8:35?am, nay...@infinitysg.com wrote: > >> > My husband is a hospital pharmacy manager in a major hospital in the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Thanks for your response, perhaps I got away from the real question of if you are a pharmacist and want to further your career which direction is best suited for advancement? Hospital or retail in new jersey I have seen instances more often than not of hospitals not hiring qualified retail candidates chosing to continue to look for at least one year of hospital. I don't think it can be argued that retail is going to teach a pharmacist every thing a hospital or home infusion company would. Being a retail pharmacist is very noble i just want to know what pharmacist think about the path they have chosen and would they do it over. > > "infinitysg" <nay...@infinitysg.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > know what pharmacist think about the path they have chosen and would > they do it over. I am coming at this particular question from the perspective of a recruiter whose client base is 70% is retail pharmacists and I would like some thoughts regarding the issue. > - Show quoted text - > > > "infinitysg" <nay...@infinitysg.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > > > "infinitysg" <nay...@infinitysg.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well my take it on it that retail is a great way to go it provides you with great pay and can also provide really flexible hours. I have some clients who have been in retail 20 years and will never make a move anywhere else and I have others who have been in it for a year and want to go. It is all about personal preference. Where we run into problems sometimes is when my clients want to make a move upward instead of laterally we then need to get some times need to get them a more diverse and technical expereience like hospital or home infusion and then try to go upward, not in all instances more often than not it does come down to, for my clients whether the retail pharmacist has a good attitude and is willing to learn. But on the other hand alot of my hospitals do not have the time to train retail pharmacists so they look for experience with admissions in almost all my clients hospitals projected to go up every year a premium is being placed on experience. > > > > "infinitysg" <nay...@infinitysg.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >know what pharmacist think about the path they have chosen and would >they do it over. ============================ Would I switch from Hospital to Retail again .. ? YOU BET ! My Civilian hospital experience was just boring and very underpaid My Military hospital experience was honestly pretty darn satisfing but I could not raise a family on the pay for sure. Retail Pharmacy on the other hand was anything but boring, interaction with patients was rewarding both on the Professional level |
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