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Tobramycin inhalation for Cystic Fibrosis

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kevin9877@hotmail.com - 28 Aug 2006 04:35 GMT
I am looking for information on Tobramycin Sulfate for IV/IM use in
inhalation therapy.  If I am giving a 320mg dose, which is 8cc's of
40mg/ml 2cc vials, do I need to dilute this further in the nebulizer?
Thanks Kevin
P T - 28 Aug 2006 09:20 GMT
Can't help much, but isn't there a commercial preparation? Tobinebs or
something like that? (Maybe this is what you're talking about) HTH
noone - 28 Aug 2006 20:10 GMT
> Can't help much, but isn't there a commercial preparation? Tobinebs or
> something like that? (Maybe this is what you're talking about) HTH

Yes. Tobi, from Chiron.

300mg/5ml, salinity (1/4 NS) and pH adjusted.

Insanely expensive, but the FDA frowns upon compounding of
procucts that are commercially available, and Chiron has sued
at least one compounding pharmacy in the past.
Dr. Wayne Simon - 29 Aug 2006 22:35 GMT
>> Can't help much, but isn't there a commercial preparation? Tobinebs or
>> something like that? (Maybe this is what you're talking about) HTH
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> procucts that are commercially available, and Chiron has sued
> at least one compounding pharmacy in the past.

Does not a pharmacy license allow a pharmacist to compound medication.  If
not, why can't the physician just dispense everything?
kevin9877@hotmail.com - 29 Aug 2006 23:57 GMT
It is my understanding, and correct me if I am wrong, that a pharmacy
can compound medications for patients when there is a medical need for
such.  If there is dye in a commercial product, and a dye free version
is not available, the pharmacy can compound a dye free version to serve
a medical need, allergy to the dye.  Compounding to avoid using an FDA
approved product is not a medical need, purely economic, and is frowned
upon.  I don't know if it is illegal or not.  I am waitting for a
response from the FDA.  I still don't know if I need to dilute this
preparation or not or is it is even advisable to give this.  320mg of
tobramycin undiluted in a nebulizer 40mg/ml in 2 cc vials which
includes preservatives phenol and metabisulfites.  The bulk
preservative free powder would be better suited but then it has to be
diluted to 20mg/ml solution in half normal saline and given by
ultrasonic nebulizer.  This was shown in clinical trials to have
efficacy but not acceptable to take on a regular basis.  Took too long
and too combersome.

320mg of tobramycin undiluted in a nebulizer 40mg/ml in 2 cc vials
which includes preservatives phenol and metabisulfites, is it ok to
give diluted or undiluted? Does anyone have an answer.

> >> Can't help much, but isn't there a commercial preparation? Tobinebs or
> >> something like that? (Maybe this is what you're talking about) HTH
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Does not a pharmacy license allow a pharmacist to compound medication.  If
> not, why can't the physician just dispense everything?
Richard Molitor - 30 Aug 2006 05:46 GMT
Even using the TOBI product it strikes me that the patient won't get nearly
the dose prescribed.  Most people get mighty tired after inhaling 2-3ml of
solution from a traditional nebulizer setup.   If the patient is otherwise
fit it might happen but I doubt if a healthy adult would need tobramycin.
Is this a CF patient?

Richard Molitor, R.Ph.
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/pharmacist

> It is my understanding, and correct me if I am wrong, that a pharmacy
> can compound medications for patients when there is a medical need for
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> > Does not a pharmacy license allow a pharmacist to compound medication.  If
> > not, why can't the physician just dispense everything?
kevin9877@hotmail.com - 30 Aug 2006 11:08 GMT
The patient has Bronchiectasis with Chronic Pseudomonas infection to
the lung.

> Even using the TOBI product it strikes me that the patient won't get nearly
> the dose prescribed.  Most people get mighty tired after inhaling 2-3ml of
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> > which includes preservatives phenol and metabisulfites, is it ok to
> > give diluted or undiluted? Does anyone have an answer.
Apothecon - 02 Sep 2006 13:53 GMT
Check your math !!
>I am looking for information on Tobramycin Sulfate for IV/IM use in
> inhalation therapy.  If I am giving a 320mg dose, which is 8cc's of
> 40mg/ml 2cc vials, do I need to dilute this further in the nebulizer?
> Thanks Kevin
Dan Warren - 02 Sep 2006 14:30 GMT
"Apothecon" <apothecon1-news@yahoo.com> wrote in news:69fKg.144$RW2.78
@trndny04:

> Check your math !!
>>I am looking for information on Tobramycin Sulfate for IV/IM use in
>> inhalation therapy.  If I am giving a 320mg dose, which is 8cc's of
>> 40mg/ml 2cc vials, do I need to dilute this further in the nebulizer?
>> Thanks Kevin

Last I knew 8 x 40 =320

But here is a link to an article comparing Tobi with injectable tobramycin

http://www.uri.edu/pharmacy/humc/TOBIvsInhaledIVTobramycin2.pdf#search=%
22injectable%20tobramycin%20inhalation%22
 
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