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Pumbaa - 04 May 2006 02:03 GMT Pharmacists may not survive Medicare changes
By Agustina Guerrero Tampa Bay Business Journal Updated: 8:00 p.m. ET April 30, 2006
Some of the most trusted professionals in America could soon be out of business.
Independent pharmacists are being impacted by cash flow problems due to the slow and low reimbursements from Medicare Part D.
Some local pharmacists are now receiving fees of just $1 to $2 a prescription versus the $10 to $15 they used to get. Checks also are taking longer to arrive.
"Things are going bleakly," said Dan Fucarino of Carrollwood Pharmacy. "The hardest part appears to be over, but long term it is still going to be bleak."
More than 90 percent of community pharmacists surveyed by the National Community Pharmacists Association said that their cash flow was worse than before the start of Medicare Part D. Many are already calling it "Part D for Disaster."
Pharmacists depend on payments from insurance plans -- including prescription drug plans administering Medicare Part D -- to pay drug wholesalers, staff and other operating expenses. But since Jan. 1 they've seen a drastic slow down in payment schedules.
Medicare Part D was the government's attempt at creating a Medicare prescription plan, but it has turned out to be a nightmare for independent pharmacists nationwide.
Under Medicaid, pharmacists were reimbursed weekly; under Medicare Part D, prescription drug plans issue reimbursement checks only once every four weeks.
"It took three billing circles before we got our first checks," said Fucarino. "It literally will take a year to recuperate."
Out of pocket Many local pharmacists are taking money out of savings or taking out lines of credit to cover the late reimbursements and carry customers who need their meds but can't figure out how to sign up.
"It was the first time since I bought the pharmacy in 1984 that I had to borrow money to keep the business running," said Bob Bobo, owner of Davis Islands Pharmacy. "It is definitely because of Medicare Part D. Our reimbursement is very, very low. The only other time I had to borrow money was to buy the business."
According to a survey commissioned by the National Council of State Pharmacy Association Executives nearly 50 percent of pharmacists provided medications to Medicare recipients at no charge since the program began.
The strange twist is that some local pharmacists are reporting an increase in the number of customers and the volume of sales. In the past, that had translated into more profits. Today, customers and volumes are up, but profits are down.
The problem, said Rob Slavkin, an attorney with Foley & Lardner in Orlando, is that there are too many prescription plans to choose from and pharmacists want to have contracts with as many as possible.
That is easier for retail giants like CVS Corp. (NYSE: CVS), Walgreen Co. (NYSE: WAG) and Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (NYSE: WMT), which have a better ability to contract on a national basis with the heavy hitters of health insurance.
Independent pharmacists have a real competitive disadvantage, Slavkin said. "They don't have the resources to get that many contracts to serve as many senior citizens as possible."
Marketing guidelines set for Medicare Part D are also leaving independent pharmacists behind. Larger chains can create compliance programs for their stores nationwide. Smaller retailers must abide by the same standards but with far less resources, said Slavkin.
Time is money The NCSPAE also found that pharmacists across the country are spending more than 10 hours a week resolving Part D-related problems.
"It is really time-consuming," said Bobo. "We are getting less than we were but doing more work."
It is not unusual for a pharmacist to be on the phone with an insurance company for an hour only to get a few dollars over the cost of the prescription, he said. Plus, employees spend a great deal of time explaining the plan, which should be the duty of the insurance company, he said.
Sixty percent of pharmacists surveyed by the NCSPAE believe that Part D would have a negative impact upon their businesses, including 12 percent who reported that it might even force their pharmacy to close.
Only 10 percent of them said that Part D would be good for their businesses. John Noriega of Bill's Prescription Center in Brandon is one who has found benefits in Part D.
"We are offering more services," Noriega said. "I offer a home delivery service for $3. When Medicare Part D went into effect I bought a new van. Medicare Part D gives patients another reason to come to me. In the short-term I can see the downfall, but in the long term I see it as a benefit."
The key, said Bobo, is to find a niche. "Those who are filling traditional prescriptions, those who have a large percentage of business on Medicare are going to be in trouble," he said.
But for many it may even be too late to find that niche, said Fucarino. "You have to have certain bankroll to keep the business afloat during a difficult time like this," he said.
Prognosis Most independent pharmacists agree that improvements to the program are required if Medicare Part D is to be successful.
National organizations are working with congressional offices to secure legislative corrections.
"Congress must change the Part D program now, before it destroys the very pharmacy infrastructure it relies upon," said NCSPAE's president, Jim Bracewell, in a statement.
Local pharmacists also are trying to get in touch with politicians in Florida to see if something can be done. Bobo was one of six pharmacists who recently met with Commissioner Kathy Castor to discuss the challenges of the plan.
But the road ahead still looks bumpy. There is talk of a proposal to lower reimbursements even more next year.
Fucarino predicts that 50 percent of the 30 independent retail pharmacies in Hillsborough County will go out of business in five years.
Independent pharmacies nationwide are an $84 billion business. They dispense nearly half of the retail prescription medicines in the United States.
© 2006 MSNBC.com URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12571876/
P T - 06 May 2006 02:39 GMT >There is talk of a proposal to lower >reimbursements even more next year. Something tells me politicians don't give a sh.t about pharmacists.
>Independent pharmacies nationwide are >an $84 billion business. They dispense >nearly half of the retail prescription >medicines in the United States. Am I the only one who finds this statement incredible? Here in the Minneapolis area, I would guess independents account for <10% of pharmacies.
In another forum, someone posted a link about a pharmacist who stopped taking Part D Rx, and as I recall it, he seemed to be doing better.
Pumbaa - 06 May 2006 14:32 GMT > >There is talk of a proposal to lower > >reimbursements even more next year. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > In another forum, someone posted a link about a pharmacist who stopped > taking Part D Rx, and as I recall it, he seemed to be doing better. In my really small town in SE Mississippi there are five pharmacies. The only chain pharmacy in the area is the Wally World (Mao Mart). At one time the town had seven pharmacies and they all made a living. I wonder what will happen to the pharmacists that work for the independent stores if they are run out of business? Will it create a surplus of pharmacists and thus depress the salaries of other pharmacists (so the chains would hope!).
I have a friend that owned his own store that he got from his dad. He got tired of working six days a week and making very little money. He closed it and he now works for CVS. He tells me he often fills 400 Rx a shift (only pharmacist) and there is no closing for lunch. He does make a lot of money but he says he is so rushed and tired by the end of the day that he wonders if he made any dispensing mistakes. He says CVS cooks the number of Rxs filled during a period of time so that they do not have to provide any extra personnel.
When I went to my eye doctor last week he was refusing to accept claims from some insurance companies. You paid him and he would sign your insurance forms and then YOU waited for the insurance payment. When Medicare was first started by the State of Alabama they issued their customers check like vouchers. The drug store filled out the form with the prescription charge and it was deposited in the bank and it was paid quickly just like a bank check.
Pumbaa - 06 May 2006 15:47 GMT <Snip>
> When I went to my eye doctor last week he was refusing to accept claims from > some insurance companies. You paid him and he would sign your insurance [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and it was deposited in the bank and it was paid quickly just like a bank > check. It should be Medicaid, not Medicare.
pharmedtradenews@gmail.com - 06 May 2006 17:25 GMT hi iam from india . can any us pharmacist explain me how the final selling price is arrive at in the absence of maximum retail price. in india the pharmacist margin is fixed by govt. we do not have problems of waiting for govt reimbursement.
Pumbaa - 06 May 2006 21:47 GMT > hi iam from india . can any us pharmacist explain me how the final > selling price is arrive at in the absence of maximum retail price. in > india the pharmacist margin is fixed by govt. we do not have problems > of waiting for govt reimbursement. Maybe a current (I am a now a retired pharmacist) pharmacist can add more information about how chain pharmacies price medication.
Originally few people in the US had any health insurance. The prices were set at what you could sell the medication for at cash. Factors included the cost of the ingredients and the labor involved, Most prescriptions (Rxs) were made (compounded). People would go to different pharmacies and ask for a price for a particular Rx. This tended to reduce the price of the Rx as someone would usually cut the price to get a new customer's business. My dad (who owned his own business) would usually reduce his price to the "best price" even if it meant loosing money on a particular Rx. He figured he could make up the profit from other Rxs that the customer would bring in.
Now most Americans have private health insurance or welfare (Medicaid) or insurance for older people (Medicare). Medicare has just starting covering Rxs this year in the USA. Apparently the health insurance companies dictate the price that a pharmacist can charge for filling a Rx. I have insurance with an outfit from Nashville, TN. On their website they actually list the "average" price of a Rx for a particular drug in my area. I found this is about what I have to pay if the Rx is for a drug that is not covered by the insurance plan. Then there is such a thing as a perferred drug (one the insurance company pays less for and thus charges me a lower price so I can influence my doctor to use it!). The insurance company likes generic drugs best and they have no or a very low co-payment for them.
It is not rare to be in an American pharmacy (at least in the State of Mississippi or Alabama) and see people walk away with unfilled Rxs. A doctor will sometimes write a Rx for a person who is very poor that may have a price of several hundred dollars. It might be the best drug for the patient but he can't afford it as he needs the money for food. One of the major causes of going bankrupt in America is ill health with resulting drug bills and hospital-doctor bills..
So the pricing of Rxs is a unique thing in America. Just about every thing I buy has a suggested retail price except Rx medication. Automobiles, TV sets, appliences, food items, etc., have suggested retail prices. It is usually possible to pay less than retail by shopping around. However a prescription drug can be priced at wholesale at the highest level that the pharmaceutical company thinks it can sell it for. Usually it can't be too much out of line from a similar product unless it is really a so-called "wonder" drug, which is hard to invent. The retail pharmacist can charge a cash patient as much as he thinks he can get out of his customer. (Pretty much pure capitalism - if you don't like the price then you are FREE not to buy it). It works the same way here with gasoline.
Sometimes patients would tell me about paying $25 or $30 for a couple dozen cheap generic penicillin tablets that cost the pharmacy very little. The retail pharmacies love those Rxs (cheap cash generic drug Rxs) as they are the only ones that really have a good profit margin because the price is not controlled.
I can't see that letting private (for profit) insurance companies set prescription prices is any better (or even as good) as having the price set by the government as in India. It would seem that the Indian Pharmacist trade associations could bargain with the Indian government to raise the rates. It would be better to deal with one agency than with very many insurance companies like in the USA. :
P T - 07 May 2006 05:44 GMT Okay, here's my explanation, for the person from India who wondered how prices are set:
There are 2 kinds of patients in American pharmacies: those with insurance, and those without.
If you don't have insurance, pharmacies price prescriptions at the cost of the drug + mark up. I don't really know how mark up is determined, but usually pharmacies that are near each other will charge approximately the same for a given prescription (as Economic theory would predict.)
For patients with insurance, the picture is much murkier. There could be 5 entities involved in the price of a prescription: the patient, the pharmacy, the wholesaler / manufacturer, the insurance company, and a Pharmacy Benefits Manager (PBM.)
To keep things simple, let's assume that the PBM and the insurance company are a single entity (which is what most patients believe.) When insurance companies started paying for large numbers of prescriptions, they used the same tactic they had used with doctors, dentists, and hospitals. They started telling pharmacies what they would pay for a prescription (less than pharmacies traditionally charged) and the pharmacies could take it or leave it. Since pharmacies wanted the business, they agreed, and consequently "prices" at the pharmacies have fallen. Hence, the profits of pharmacies have fallen. I suspect most of the savings have gone to insurance companies and PBMs: it is debatable whether patients are better off. Additionally, pharmacists complain that they are filling increasingly more prescriptions for less profit per prescription.
To decrease frivolous demand for medicine, and to save themselves money, insurance companies began mandating that patients pay a portion of the cost of a prescription: the copayment. The pharmacist is expected to collect this and keep it, and his reimbursement from the insurance company is decreased by this amount. The copayment is the source of endless struggles between pharmacies and patients :-\
This is a basic outline of the system. Actually it is far more complex.
The financing of health care in America is mysterious, confusing, and sometimes illogical. This is my understanding of the system: I speak from the perspective of someone who has only been in the industry for about 10 years, and I work in a large city. Others may have a different opinion.
Bob G. - 07 May 2006 12:29 GMT >hi iam from india . can any us pharmacist explain me how the final >selling price is arrive at in the absence of maximum retail price. in >india the pharmacist margin is fixed by govt. we do not have problems >of waiting for govt reimbursement. Like one of the previous posters I am also a retired ( semi retired is a better term since I still work one evening) ...
Anyway... pricing has always been determined by the cost of doing business...simply put if the "store" could not cover its operational costs the doors were closed...!
My complaint TODAY is two fold...
1. 99 percent of the Pharmacists working today have absolutely no idea of what a drug actually costs.... Seriously ! 2.And those Pharmacists have no idea of how much (the dispensing ( ( fee) that the Insurance Companies add to what they determine the cost the drug really is....is unknown to those Pharmacists..
Can any working Pharmacist actually tell me how much it actually costs them for a single month supply of any birth control pill? Or can any Pharmacist actually tell me what the dispensing fee the various Insurance companies in their area actually pay them ?
Its too early on a Sunday morning to go any further ... But needless to say This OLD Pharmacist is of the opinion that nobody in the store has any idea of how any single Rx was priced..or if they actually made any money..
Bob .
P T - 07 May 2006 17:29 GMT Bob complained...
"...Can any working Pharmacist actually tell me how much it actually costs them for a single month supply of any birth control pill? Or can any Pharmacist actually tell me what the dispensing fee the various Insurance companies in their area actually pay them ? ... But needless to say This OLD Pharmacist is of the opinion that nobody in the store has any idea of how any single Rx was priced..or if they actually made any money." - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Well, of course not! Those are owner / managerial functions, and as an employee my time is best spent dispensing. I know the companies make a profit, or they would go bankrupt. I know from the general scuttlebutt that dispensing fees are lower than we'd like, but we're making the payroll. A few of our guys, "higher up," are in tune to that stuff. Like one guy complained we could buy four 4 oz bottles of Cheratussin AC for less than a 16 oz bottle, but the buyer seemed unimpressed. I have a general idea of costs, and I've caught a few errors on Quantity Dispensed for some of those super-expensive meds. Like Copaxone or Lovenox or BetaSeron, where it's muddy what "1" unit is. But you're right, I don't know if we make anything on that #6 Bactrim DS. Probably very little, especially the Medicaid Rx. I don't think the situation is that bad. I suppose next you'll go on a rant that the young guys can't make powder papers :-)
Pumbaa - 07 May 2006 20:04 GMT I don't know if you can tell that much about a pharmacy chain by it's share price. Good old Rite Aid (RAD) for instance. If you had purchased $10,000 dollars of RAD in May 1996 it would have been worth 35K during January 1999. Then the boom went bust! By January 2001 your 10K was worth only about $1900. As of now, it is $4.65 a share. MSN Money now gives it a rating of 9 out of a possible 10.
The site also says:
a.. RITE AID CORPORATION one-year sales growth: 2.70%. Difference from the average for the Drug Stores group: -6.10 pct. pts.
If the average Drug Store has a sales growth of negative 6.10 percent, then it will have to cut costs and work the employees harder if they are to make any money. I have always believed that the chain pharmacies make more money selling cheap Chinese junk, candy, OTC medications, so forth than they make selling prescription drugs.
P T - 07 May 2006 23:40 GMT I would be a buyer below 4, and a seller above 4. These target may need to be adjusted with the general trend of the stock.
If a few experts issue bullish comments and it starts to run up, riding it for a 20-50 cent profit would be another strategy I might employ.
I think you can make money with WAG. Buy in the low 40s sell in the mid 40s. A buck here, a buck there... do that four times in a year and you're up 10%.
The trouble with stock is, fundamentally, you must buy low and sell high. That means you must buy when everyone else thinks it is not worth owning, and sell when everyone else thinks you'd be crazy to sell. But what do I know.
Bob G. - 08 May 2006 14:47 GMT .
>If the average Drug Store has a sales growth of negative 6.10 percent, then >it will have to cut costs and work the employees harder if they are to make >any money. I have always believed that the chain pharmacies make more money >selling cheap Chinese junk, candy, OTC medications, so forth than they make >selling prescription drugs. =============================== You should check the gross margins on Kitty Litter... OTC drugs honestly are not a big profit center ..margins are ok at best, but the turn over is slow... Bob G.
Bob G. - 08 May 2006 14:35 GMT >I don't think the situation is that bad. >I suppose next you'll go on a rant that the young guys can't make powder >papers :-) LOL.... No I sure would not complain about not knowing how to fold powder papers... Even this OLD fart will admit that I have had to dispense 2, maybe 3 of those in my entire carreer and the last one was is the 60's...and I never had to hand roll a "pill" (thank the good Lord)
But I'm sorry...Pharmacy is both a profession and a business and EVERY Pharmacist who practices the profession in a retail "store" has to be aware of that fact... Not to say he or she should actin in any way less professional
Bob G.
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