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MobiusDick - 11 Jul 2005 20:00 GMT
What a great name for Hillary's Autobiography! From Allen Ginsberg's
Howl: "who passed through universities with radiant cool eyes
hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedy among the scholars of
war..."

MobiusDick
drugstorecowboy510@hotmail.com - 12 Jul 2005 00:05 GMT
starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn
looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly
connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat
up smoking in the supernatural darkness of
cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities
contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and
saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tenement roofs illuminated
tica10.5@earthlink.net - 12 Jul 2005 15:41 GMT
Great posts both. They made my morning. Thank you. I had the
opportunity of seeing Ginsberg read from "White Shroud" which was a
sequel poem to Kaddish about his mother's incarceration & death in a
mental institution. "Shrud" was about his wandering New York City to
find his mother did not "die" but was actually a homeless person. Howl,
Kaddish, and White Shroud are my favorites although I must admit I am
not as familiar with his writing as I'd like to be. BTW after the
reading where I met my writing teacher, I left a little too soon as the
group of three( from my class) went out to dinner with Ginsburg as my
writing teacher Molly Ramunajan was wife of poet Krishna,I believe was
his first name , Ramunajan, a poet at the University of Chicago where I
studied writing. One can't tell from my detox addled memory of the
Elememts of Style and spelling but hopefully it will come back. Thanks
again! I am going to cut and  past the lines and read them as the
spirit hits. Thanks again.
Badger - 17 Jul 2005 18:38 GMT
he used to hang around the aspiring young writer scene in Berkeley and wait
for an admirer to give up some a.s .. he was often successful

> Great posts both. They made my morning. Thank you. I had the
> opportunity of seeing Ginsberg read from "White Shroud" which was a
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> again! I am going to cut and  past the lines and read them as the
> spirit hits. Thanks again.
MobiusDick - 20 Jul 2005 16:53 GMT
It is important to be able to separate the artist from the art. They
have nothing to do with on another. If you read some of the Ezra Pound,
TS Elliot and John Crowe Ransom essays on literary criticism, their
main point is that the only person who is unfit to actually interpret a
work of art is the creator of said art, simply because there is no way
to separate ones self from your art enough to keep all of the
underlying psychological influences from your life from affecting ones
own interpretation of a piece.

It is sort of analogous to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle in
Quantum Mechanics. The observer cannot observe a system without
altering the system he is observing. Thus, the artist cannot give an
interpretation of his work without obfuscating the true meaning (if
there be such a thing) because of a lifetime of psychological factors
that cannot be looked at independently without changing the meaning or
interpretation of the work in a way that does not reflect the work
itself apart from the psychology.

Anyway, the meaning of art is based solely on the observer and not on
the artwork or the artist, only on what the work invokes in the
observer.

MD
tica10.5@earthlink.net - 20 Jul 2005 20:23 GMT
I was the midst of responding to your post when a huge thunderstorm and
a large clap of lighting crashed my computer. The power terminals in
North Chicago are ill. Anyway, I noticed that while I was watching my
documentaries with an audience, people laughed at parts I thought were
serious and visa-versus and not out of the ridiculousness of the film.
Whenever this happened I was a bit insulted until people came up to me
after the screening and told me how great the film was and how  much
such and such a scene was funny/traguc. No as a writer/filmmaler, I
have no idea of the aesthetics of it all. The best I can do at
structuring a piece is present ing unanswered questions which makes the
audience ask, " What happens next,", find interesting idiosyncratic
characters, & throw in dramatic irony. As far as long winded
explanations of why this or that works, I do not reaaly  partake. My
writing teacher used to try to explain to the clas when I did something
"write" in one of my pieces. She completely lost me. I am totally
right brained and am lucky I can work on a remedial level on a
computer. When it comes to making a change on my Mac, it is always a
bifg deal for me. I am thankful for the gifts I have but really am a
bit envious of persons with math and science knowledge.
~xy~ - 20 Jul 2005 21:51 GMT
> Anyway, the meaning of art is based solely on the observer and not on
> the artwork or the artist, only on what the work invokes in the
> observer.

Absolutely.. and great art has the quality of invoking a special and unique
reaction in each observer...

In other words, a critic's anal-ysis reveals more about the critic than
about the artist or the piece...

~R~
 
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