Hi everyone,
I am having the worst time of my life. I just had a TURP (transurethral
resection of the prostate), and now I am worse than ever (the urologist says
to wait). Before the surgery, I had a little bit of BPH, and a lot of
prostatitis, plus a restriction from bladder neck surgery in 1995, and was
having trouble urinating, along with a lot of pain and discomfort.
Anyway along with the constant pain/pressure and feeling I have to urinate
all the time I also have rectal itching which may be from my internal
hemorrhoids (although the theory is internal hemorrhoids do not cause
discomfort since you only feel pressure in the rectum, because there are no
pain sensors above the dentate line - I don't buy that 100%- I have had many
instances in my life of rectal pain and itching as well as pressure). Doc
says rectal itching probably not from surgery, although I also have itching
in the urethral/prostate areas which is right next store.
I bought some prep H cream today, and it has the standard warning not to use
it if you have difficulty urinating due to an enlarged prostate. I assume
this is because the phenylephrine HCL in it is a vasoconstrictor, which is
the opposite of alpha blockers that are used to relax smooth muscle in the
prostate, and are vasodilators (since they also relax the smooth muscle in
blood vessel walls and can be used to treat hypertension). Alpha blockers
are used treat BPH, by modifying the muscle tone which supposedly results in
less pressure on the urethra. I can not take alpha blockers since they plug
my nose up immediately and completely.
I have a couple questions. It is believed that alpha blockers relax the
smooth muscle in the prostate and bladder neck (I'm not talking about the
smooth muscles in the blood vessel walls that are in the prostate and
bladder neck, but they will be relaxed also and result in vasodilatation).
There seems to be a juxtaposition here. If relaxing the smooth muscle in
the prostate and bladder neck (that is non blood vessel muscle) results in
less pressure on the urethra and increased urine flow, then why doesn't the
relaxing of the blood vessel wall muscles in the prostate and bladder neck
result in a counter effect, and swell up the prostate as a result of the
vasodilatation (like it swells up my nose and closes my nasal passages, and
I can't breathe). This may be a little technical, and my analogy to the
nose may not be totally appropriate, but I think it is a legitimate
question.
My second question relates to the risk of applying a topical application of
prep H cream (with phenylephrine HCL, a vasoconstrictor) in the rectum, and
I guess causing the prostate to enlarge more (I don't know how -
vasoconstrictors are used as decongestants to open the nasal airways up).
Since the prep H is topical and not systemic (except for small amounts that
diffuse into the blood stream), I don't consider that using it will make my
prostate condition any worse, and therefore why the warning on the box about
enlarged prostate. I can understand if you were taking alpha blockers for
BPH you wouldn't want to take phenylephrine HCL since one is vasodilator and
one is vasoconstrictor.
I believe it would be safe to take the prep H cream since I do not take
alpha blockers, and it is topical and not systemic, and I do not see how it
will enlarge my prostate. Do you agree.
Thanks for your time in reading this, and I look forward to your feedback.
Pete
J. Davidson - 22 Apr 2005 18:17 GMT
Pete, if it were me, I would see a different urologist. Get another
opinion. You should not have to be putting up with that.
Jackie
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Pete - 22 Apr 2005 19:47 GMT
Jackie...All six of the urologists (MD's) where I live are partners and work
in the same office (plus they have a physician asst.). If you know anything
about this stuff, if you lose one doctor in a partnership, you lose them all
(it is a son of a bee). I have been down that road before. The only option
is to go to another city, and I live by myself and don't have anyone to help
me (for procedures, surgeries, etc.) except for one person, and I have to
practically beg her (and pay her). I have been to Baltimore (which is 90
miles from me currently) three times in my life (Univ of MD and John
Hopkins) for other health issue second opinions, and got nothing out of it
each time.
I know some doctors are just not compatible with a patient (they need a
friendly bedside manner which many do not have) or are not helping the
patient and it is necessary to get another doctor. I have done this several
times when there are other doctors available in my area (I have run out of
pulmonologists and I am on my last gastroenterologist). But it is always
not that simple to say "get another doctor or get a second opinion",
especially if you have multiple health problems, and don't have a ride. You
have to be careful what you say and how you say it to many doctors or they
will dismiss you quickly, and the vast majority of them don't like it when
you tell them you do research on your disease or illness (which we have
every right to do). Thanks for your concern.
Pete
> Pete, if it were me, I would see a different urologist. Get another
> opinion. You should not have to be putting up with that.
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J. Davidson - 23 Apr 2005 01:37 GMT
I know you speak truth, Pete, unfortunately.
An option you might consider is to have your friend take you to the local
hospital ER when you are in distress and then it won't be your "fault" that
you had a different doctor.
Jackie
> Jackie...All six of the urologists (MD's) where I live are partners and work
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Pete - 23 Apr 2005 04:26 GMT
Thanks Jackie...I have been to the ER before also (I feel like going now).
But they just take some blood and a flat view x-ray and send you home, and
tell you to follow up with your primary doctor or specialist. ER is only
for acute things like heart attack and bleeding to death, and of course they
treat young kids (and old ones too) for high fever. I am waiting for the
fever to start, because something is eating me up inside and I can't stand
it. Sorry for the pity party. I wish you good luck and good health.
Pete
>I know you speak truth, Pete, unfortunately.
> An option you might consider is to have your friend take you to the local
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